Showing posts with label Charlton. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Charlton. Show all posts

Saturday, 30 May 2026

Take one young lad …….. several jobs working by the River …… and you get a bit of history

 Now, even on an August morning with the promise of a hot day ahead, standing at the bus stop opposite the Woolwich Ferry at 5 in the morning could be a grim place.


And when the weather had turned sour, and the wind and sleet swept off the River it was not the best way to start the day.


But then I was lucky, all my jobs along the Thames were indoors, not for me the full force of the weather unloading goods from a tramp steamer or scraping the bottom of a rusty old vessel in one of those small boat yards along the River. 

Instead I spent a time in the old R.A.C.S. food warehouse, dispatching groceries to stores across south east London and beyond.

It was a fascinating place, where its earlier life lingered on in the powerful smell of tea which permeated one floor, and the loop holes on all the floors which gave access to the River, but I guess had long ago seen the last cargoes hoisted  from the jetty water side.


When I worked there in the early 1970s everything came in and went back out by road, and the closest I could get to the Thames was from those loop holes.

And now the building has gone.  Just when this complex of Victorian warehouses was demolished  I have yet to discover, but gone it has.

And so it seems has Glenvilles which was close to the Blackwall Tunnel and stood in the shadow of Tunnel Refineries.  

Even now a full 52 years later I can still remember that pungent smell from the Refineries.


It always won out over the variety of odours at Glenvilles, which made everything from custard and blancmange powder, to Ice Pops and powdered milk.

I say powdered milk but to be more accurate it turned milk powder into granules for a variety of companies from Sainsbury, Tesco to Fine Fare.

The process was a simple enough one and involved blowing milk powder along giant stainless steel tubes under heat, which turned the powder into granuales.

The story was that the process came from Arizona, which is hot and dry, but made for difficulties in a factory beside the Thames where the climate can be damp and cold.

The upshot was that on some days the parts clogged up and production stuttered to a halt, and on a very bad day ceased all together, which was bad news given that we were on a bonus scheme.

Nor was that all, because the outlet valve where the granules left the tube was often faulty, which presented problems.  Ideally it was a simple task, to fill a 56 lb bag of the stuff and shut the tap off.  But 

When the tap was faulty one of the team had to place his had underneath it while the other quickly yanked the bag away and replaced it with another.  Any tardiness on the part of the team could lead to a spillage of very hot granules across the floor and led to a cloud of milk dust which clung to your overalls, mixed with your perspiration and made for rivulets of sticky sweet smelling milk to run down your face.

Later in the cooler parts of the plant that milk powder hardened on your boiler suit forming a crunchy surface, which fellow passengers on the bus home stayed well away from, making you the Billy No Mates of London Transport. But it did have just one perk, and that was the after shift drink in the Cutty Sark pub.


The early shift ran from six till two, offered up the chance of a couple of pints at the end of a very long morning, with the added pleasure of mixing with those who had shot across the River to take in the atmosphere of “that delightful and still genuine watering hole”.

Needless to say their visit was a tad challenged by the two young workers in boilersuits emanating a distinct milk perfume and shedding the occasional crispy white flakes.

It was a childish tilt at “class war”, which I doubt pleased the landlord, and still involved that long bus journey back to Eltham.


All of which is now over 50 years ago. In the intervening decades I have added several other jobs to the portfolio including a builder’s labourer in Blackheath, a scaffolder’s mate, and a brief brush with the post office in Eltham.  This last job hardly counts as a job as it was as temporary postman in the run up to Christmas, and I lasted but two days.

Leaving me just to admit that for 35 years I taught in inner city schools, and now fill out my time as a researcher and a writer.

But I still look back on those first jobs, and reflect that while I have changed so has much of the River that I knew.


Some of what has gone is no loss.  Those dangerous low paid jobs which offered little security can surely not be missed, along with the overcrowded and unsanitary dwelling places tucked away and out of sight.  

Here were strong communities bounded together by poverty and adversity, but lets not kid ourselves that poverty and adversity, are anthing to be nostalgic for.

I do miss the bustle of the River, and the hours I spent as a kid wandering the area, but the past should always be judged with a critical eye.  

I remember my foreman at Glenvilles admitting that he never ate the left overs from the Sunday roast, reckoning it was not a question of wasting food, but just simply it reminded him of growing up in the age of "make do and mend", where new was a luxury, and food remainded something to be grateful for.

Location; between Woolwich and Greenwich along the Thames, in the 1960s and 70s

Pictures; Woolwich and Greenwich, the 1970s, from the collection of Andrew Simpson

Friday, 29 May 2026

Walking back in time through Eltham, Charlton and Greenwich with the pictures of Llwyd Roberts

Now anyone with an interest in Eltham’s history will have come across the pictures of Mr Llwyd Roberts. *

They first appeared in the Kentish Times in the 1920s and 30s have reappeared in collections since and regularly pop up accompanying  descriptions of Eltham in the past.

My own collection comes from a book published by the Kentish Times in 1966 which was sent to me by Margaret Copeland Gain whose husband like me is an Eltham exile and like me derived great pleasure from Mr Llwyd Roberts’s work.

He was a fine artist and draughtsman and some at least of the pictures will have been drawn from firsthand knowledge while others were inspired by watercolours, drawings and photographs.

What I didn’t know but should have done was that his work extended to other parts of south east London and for that I have to thank Tricia Lesley who came across a catalogue for an exhibition of his “Watercolours and Drawings of Places in the Borough of Greenwich.” from 1976.**

Included in the catalogue are places I never knew existed and which have long gone.

Of these I was drawn to Morton’s Theatre which Mr Roberts’s drew in 1934 and Charlton Village sometime around 1870..

And as you do I went looking for the story of the theatre and found it at that wonderful site dedicated to the music hall and theatre history.***

So I will leave you to follow the link and instead just say that the catalogue lists 168 of his pictures which along with another 58 can be viewed by appointment at Greenwich Heritage Centre.****

Now the Centre is one of those places which if I lived locally I would never be away from, because along with Mr Roberts’s pictures it has an extensive collection of material covering the history of the area.

And as I know next to nothing about Charlton where our Ian grew up I might well look up the background to the picture of the village.

I am not sure when it was drawn but it is based on a source dating from the 1870s.

Pictures; Morton’s Theatre, 1934, Greenwich High Road, and Charlton village circa 1870s, from Watercolours and Drawings of Places in the Borough of Greenwich, 1977

*Llwyd Roberts, http://chorltonhistory.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Llwyd%20Roberts

** Watercolours and Drawings of Places in the Borough of Greenwich, Llwyd Roberts, Woodlands Art Gallery, December 1976-January 1977.

*** The Prince of Wales Theatre, Greenwich, arthurlloyd, co.uk http://www.arthurlloyd.co.uk/Greenwich.htm

****Greenwich Heritage Centre, heritage.centre@rght.org.uk

Thursday, 4 December 2025

The not so dusty records of Woolwich ……..

Now for many years those of my friends who share my love of Eltham, Woolwich and Plumstead have sung the praises of the two volumes of “Records of  the Woolwich District”. *

 Down an alley from Woolwich High Street, 2013
And equally for years I have made a note to buy the two books, but something always came up and I got side-tracked.

But not now, because last month I took the plunge, ordered both and have not regretted it since.

The title may seem dull and off putting, but there is everything here from the Roman Road over Shooters Hill, the Norman invaders who stole Charlton, and more than a bit on the ancient buildings of Eltham, along with a snapshot of the place in 1881.

Added to which there is heaps about Woolwich, so I reckon there is a bit for everyone.

The Book, 2015

And a careful read will reveal how historians like Eltham’s own Mr. Gregory have plundered the records for stories, and I no doubt will join them.

The records were compiled by W.T. Vincent and published in 1890 and owed their existence to years of sifting through the records at several museums.

Plaisted's Wine House, 2013
Of which the highlight was the discovery of a sealed package with the title of “Dockyards of England-Southeast District” which had come out of the collection of George III, including an exact plan of Woolwich in 1748, a plan of “the Foundry from 1715”, plans of the dockyard from 1774 and a plan “of the 2-gun batteries and bomb-battery in 1737”.

And the rest as they are a riveting section in volume one revealing so much about the history of Woolwich with snippets about the other parts of the old borough peppered through volume two to make this a fascinating read, which can be dipped into or be used as the basis for more research.

Leaving me to ponder just where I will start, while reflecting on how popular such histories were at the the end of the 19th century.

My bookshelves are full of books written during the 1880s into the early decades of the the next century.

Some are slightly turgid, but most are extremely interesting, particularly those written about areas which were just decades earlier small rural communities.

Woolwich Free Ferry, 1905
And I suspect that is why they were written. 

Two of my favourite historians admit that they were motivated by a desire to record a way of life which was fast disappearing.

Both included descriptions by men and women who had been born in the early part of the 19th century who in turn drew on memories of conversations with parents and grandparents which went back to the years just after George III lost the American colonies, and in some cases even further back.

I am not sure that Mr. Vincent does this, but his meticulous use of old records make his book one to read.

Location; the old Borough of Woolwich

Pictures, down an alley from Woolwich High Street, 2013, from the collection of Liz and Colin Fitzpatrick, cover of volume 11, 2015 and the Woolwich Free Ferry, Tuck & Sons, 1905, courtesy of Tuck DB, http://tuckdb.org/

*“Records of the Woolwich District”,  W.T .Vincent, 1890, and republished 2015 by FamLoc Books

Sunday, 14 September 2025

Charlton House ........ the one I always find by accident

Now I found Charlton House by accident not long after we moved to Well Hall and I had taken myself off on “an adventure.”

And over half a century later I came across this picture of the Hall and a description written in 1847.

Both come from a wonderful book called The Land We Live In.*

And it just so happens it too was an accidental discovery.

I was looking for Vol 1 which has some fine pictures of Manchester in the 1840s by the artist C W Clennell.

That volume remains elusive but instead I did find the third volume which I have to say is equally fascinating.

Amongst the chapters which cover the West Country, the Midlands and Ireland there is a section on “the Baronial Halls of Kent.”

And there was an entry on Charlton.

“At the accession of James 1. the manor was the property of the crown.  


The needy train of courtiers who followed the monarch to the rich south were clamorous for provision, and James was nothing loath to supply the necessities of his loving countrymen. Charlton he assigned, the year after his accession to the Earl of Mar.  

The nobleman sold it in 1606 to one of his countrymen, Sir James Erskine for £2,000.  Sir James, in like manner, parted with his bargain the following year for £4,500 to Sir Adam Newton, another northern knight.”

All of which smacks of the sort of deal that might just happen today for a small one bed apartment in the area.

Location; Charlton

Pictures; Charlton House and frontispiece from The Land We Live In

*The Land We Live In A Pictorial Literary Sketch Book in the British Empire 1847 Vol 3
*Ibid, page 23

Thursday, 17 October 2024

Charlton in 1922

The caption on the postcard just says Old Charlton, and the date is given as 1922.

Now that’s not much to go on but it is enough to anchor the scene and allow reflection on how this bit of south east London has changed.

And no sooner had O posted the story John King offered up this view from 2017.

John has a fine collection of pictures from across London and beyond, and thank him for this one.

Location; Charlton







Picture; Charlton in 2017, from the collection of John King, and in 1922 courtesy of Mark Flynn, http://www.markfynn.com/london-postcards.htm

Tuesday, 15 October 2024

Pictures that tell their own story ........ no. 1 ...... Charlton just a century and a bit ago

Now I have neglected Charlton and so here to make amends is a fine picture of the village in 1904.

Any one of our pedestrians staring back at us would I think recognise the view today, although the last time I was there the George public house was the Viceroy serving up curry instead of Pale Ale.

Location; Charlton


Picture; Charlton, 1904 from, Woolwich Through Time, 2014, courtesy of Kristina Bedford

Thursday, 16 May 2024

Hidden things on the Piazza Dante …. that film Blow Up ….. and a bit of Charlton

It’s odd how sometimes a picture offers up something you lost first time round.

Hidden things, Lugano, 2018
So, six years ago in Lugano I came across one of those fashionable shops in a very fashionable bit of the town selling the objects that only the rich will buy to casually dot around their apartments.

We were on a day trip from Varese in Italy and had taken the train across the border into Switzerland, and while the family shopped till they dropped in swish departmental stores I wandered the streets snapping away.

And on Piazza Dante I came across the shop and attracted by the door way I took the picture, which then sat with a heap of others and was forgotten.

Yesterday I came across the collection and as you do looked again at the picture of the shop and discovered the rather odd looking head which my friend Lois described as “creepy”.

Now the discovery was no “Blow Up” moment, that film from 1966 by Michelangelo Antonioni when a fashion photographer thinks he has unwittingly captured a murder on film during a photo shoot.

"Creepy" things on the Piazza Dante, Lugano, 2018

He only makes the discovery in the darkroom while processing the film and in the processing enlarging the image, which of courses offers up the film’s title “Blow Up”.

Not that my creepy head is in anyway as dramatic, but it points to what we see and don’t see in pictures we take.

Enjoying the joke, 2018
So on Saturday having taken the picture of the Arndale entrance in all its tall majesty with its neon signage I spotted the two women enjoying a joke.

And they became by far the most interesting subjects, leaving me to crop out the the tall entrance but leave a few of the passers by.

Nor is that all because going back and watching the film again over 50 years later I realized the park was Maryon Park in Chorlton close to where I grew up in Eltham.

Despite the close proximity it was a park I never visited which is a shame given that my Wikipedia tells me that the  area was was a collection of sand pits known as “Hanging Wood, and were presented to the London County Council in 1891 by the Maryon-Wilson family, and one of the pits became Maryon Park. 

Another pit became Charlton Athletic's football ground, The Valley.

The park was originally wooded and, together with what is now Maryon Wilson Park, was known as Hanging Woods. This was a wild wooded area and formed an ideal retreat for highwaymen who robbed travellers on Shooters Hill and Blackheath. 

Though it is popularly supposed that the wood was used for hanging those who were caught, a more likely explanation for the name is the wood's location on steep slopes so that the trees appear to hang from the slope. 

Maryon Park, Charlton, date unknown
Such woods are often referred to as 'hanging woods' the word 'hang' comes from the Old English 'hangra', a wooded slope).

The park was opened in 1891, with JJ Sexby, then chief surveyor to LCC's parks department, designing serpentine paths around the slopes of the hill".

 All of which was unknown to me and continuing the theme I could say its story had been hidden to me, but that would be a tortuous and perhaps contrived link from the original discovery from Lugano, so I won’t.

But l may have got confused with the street name which offers up more chances to play the hidden card.

Location; Lugano, and Charlton

Pictures; that shop in Lugano 2018 and  Maryon Park, Charlton, date unknown from the collection of Kristina Bedford and reproduced in Woolwich Through Time, Kristina Bedford, 2014

*Maryon Park, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryon_Park


Sunday, 23 January 2022

An apology to the Friends of Maryon Park ……….

Now despite growing up in Eltham, with Woolwich, Plumstead and Charlton just a bus ride away, I never visited Maryon Park.


And if I am totally honest I didn’t even know it existed, until I came across this picture postcard of the park.

I don’t have a date for the picture, and despite wandering up and down the surrounding streets using google street maps, I haven’t worked out the location from which the picture was taken. …But someone will and that is the fun of the blog.

In the meantime I shall fall back outrageously and lift a description of the park from Wikipedia, which quite correctly I credit.

“Charlton sandpits, which were originally part of an area known as Hanging Wood, were presented to the London County Council in 1891 by the Maryon-Wilson family, and one of the pits became Maryon Park. 

 


Another pit became Charlton Athletic's football ground, The Valley.

The park was originally wooded and, together with what is now Maryon Wilson Park, was known as Hanging Woods. 

This was a wild wooded area and formed an ideal retreat for highwaymen who robbed travellers on Shooters Hill and Blackheath. 

Though it is popularly supposed that the wood was used for hanging those who were caught, a more likely explanation for the name is the wood's location on steep slopes so that the trees appear to hang from the slope. 

Such woods are often referred to as 'hanging woods', the word 'hang' comes from the Old English 'hangra', a wooded slope.*


I could quote more but that would be stealing, so instead I will just include the link and point you towards another excellent site for information on the park, which comes from Charlton Parks Reminiscence Project which focuses on Charlton’s, “six distinctly different parks and open spaces, [which are] at the heart of their different neighbourhoods. This project looks at the history of each park, how they developed and stories relating their importance to local people over the past 100 years”.**

And I might well get more information about the bandstand which features in the picture.

As many will know, I am fascinated by bandstands and collect them.  It all began with the one I passed on my way to school in Pepys Park back in the 1960s,and I never miss an opportunity to seek one out.

So, if the bandstand is still there I hope someone will take a picture of it and send it across.

Location; Charlton

Picture; Maryon Park, Charlton, date unknown from the collection of Kristina Bedford

*Maryon Park, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryon_Park

** Maryon Park Charlton Parks Reminiscence Project, https://www.charltonparks.co.uk/the-parks/maryon-wilson-park/