Showing posts with label Chorlton Footbal Clubs. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Chorlton Footbal Clubs. Show all posts

Thursday, 1 April 2021

Out in Chorlton with the football team in 1920

Now I say 1920 but it could equally be any time between then and 1922.


And this I know because it comes from a collection of family photographs belonging to Peter McLoughlin.

Unlike many collections these can be dated, often have a location and most of them Peter is able to identify the individuals in the pictures.

So he was able to tell me that "the player third from the left between the goalkeeper and the tall man, was my mother's boy friend who appears in plenty of the pictures including one where he is sat on a motor bike outside my mother's house on Hawthorn Road."

And that will date it to between 1920-22.

Now just before the Great War and into the interwar period Chorlton had a number of football clubs, some lasted longer than others but their story is not well documented.

I have written a few stories about them and have had contributions from Tony Goulding but I am no expert and pretty much confined myself to filling in the gaps from material supplied by Ann Love whose dad played for Chorlton Albion in the 1920s.*

But I know that during the last two decades of the nineteenth century and into the twentieth Chorlton supported a wide range of sporting and cultural activities including amateur dramatics and opera.

Most had developed as our population grew and drew their support from those new comers who occupied the newly built houses around what is now the Four Banks and the old station.

But some like bowling and our brass band go back to when we were still very much a rural community.

There were bowling clubs attached to both the Bowling Green and the Horse and Jockey well before the 1860s and our first brass band was established sometime around 1820.

Until Peter confirmed the location I thought that it might be the meadows but just possibly up by Hardy Lane or even on a make shift pitch at Turn Moss and of course there was always that rather awkward thought that it may not even be Chorlton.

But the team played down there on the meadows which makes for a nice bit of continuity even if it does  raise the question of which local team they were.

And like all good pictures it leaves me with a few more questions of which the one that fascinate me most is the identity of the man with bike.

I can't think he was the manager or trainer which leaves me wondering whether he was their sole supporter or just someone who was passing and was curious enough to be caught on camera.

Picture; from the collection of Peter McLoughlin date unknown

*Chorlton Football Clubs, http://chorltonhistory.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Chorlton%20Footbal%20Clubs

Wednesday, 13 December 2017

Chorlton Champs of Lancs .......... from Lawrence Beedle

When Chorlton were the champions of Lancashire. 

Lancashire Amateur Cup, 1893
You have to go back a hundred and ten years to the muddy fields of football when this happened. As the Athletic News & Cyclists' Journal published on their front page “the honour of being the strongest amateur team in the county may this year, for the first time be justly claimed by a Manchester team, Chorlton-cum-Hardy” - Monday 6th May 1907.

That year Chorlton-cum-Hardy won the Lancashire Amateur Cup, a Lancashire Amateur League title and a League Cup. Back then County Cups were taken seriously even by the big clubs and players with amateur status were in the same teams as the maximum wage restricted professionals of City, United, Everton, etc.

Let's see how Chorlton reached the final of the Lancashire Amateur Cup. It took four rounds seeing off Marine 2-0, Heaton Moor (away) 2-1, Fleetwood Amateurs 3-1, and a derby semi-final game against Whalley Range (away) 3-1. This set up the final tie against the favourites Manchester University on Saturday 6th April 1907. It was to be played at a neutral venue and the Giant Axe ground in Lancaster was chosen.

The weather was windy with heavy rain. Those who attended might have witnessed the only goal just before the interval. A player called Wedge “took the ball on the bounce and with a terrific drive shot into the net, well out of reach of Knott”. Chorlton-cum-Hardy won. T. Laithwaite of the Lancashire FA presented the prestigious trophy to R . J. Stephenson, the captain. The latter was considered one of the best amateur centre forwards and had played numerous times for the Northern Nomads including the match against the Corinthians at Goodison Park. The receipts for the final were £19. 18s. 3d. (that's £19.91 in decimal), a sum considered low by the newspapers.

These amateur cup finals usually incurred losses for the Lancashire FA.

Lancashire Amateur Cup Final, 1909 Preston Winckley v Smithhills
Chorlton-cum-Hardy FC then resumed their remaining Lancashire Amateur League games. It was divided into a Manchester Section and a Liverpool section of ten teams each. Chorlton led the former Section with Whalley Range only two points behind with a game in hand. It was two points for a win and it all came down to the final match between the two teams. The fixture was arranged for a Thursday evening on 18th April 1907 with a 6pm kick off. Whoever won would be champions. There is no match report but the result was Chorlton-cum-Hardy 2 Whalley Range 1.

Chorlton-cum-Hardy P18 W13 L3 D2 F42 A22 Pts 28
Whalley Range P18 W12 L5 D1 F41 A22 Pts 25
Heaton Chapel P18 W11 L4 D3 F44 A26 Pts 25

To complete the season a new Lancashire Amateur League Cup had been instituted. The champions of Manchester would play the champions of the Liverpool Section. That was Southport Trinity Old Boys, a team that had only lost two league games in two seasons.

Detail from the 1909 Cup Final
Both teams met at Springfield Park, Wigan on another wet and windy Saturday afternoon on the 27th April 1907. Unfortunately Southport were soon reduced to ten men when T. Mawdsley the centre half retired from the match with an injured knee.

The match ended goalless at full time and Southport obviously declined to play any extra time. So a replay was arranged and by a toss of the coin Southport was the choice of venue.

So on the following Tuesday 30th April the teams met at the Southport Central Ground.

There are brief match reports. “Winning the toss the Mancunians played with the wind at their backs in the first half. From a melee in front of Dent, the Trinity custodian, Stephenson netted the ball. This was all the scoring during the game, which only lasted eighty minutes.” Why the match was ten minutes short with J.T. Howcroft, a well known referee who officiated Football League games, we'll never know but apparently time keeping of matches back then was not a precision.

Detail from the 1909 Cup Final
Anyway, Chorlton-cum-Hardy would have returned on the train that night collecting their third silver cup in a month.

Forward to present times. Amateur status was ended by the F.A in 1974 though the name is still used and the ethos prevails. Chorlton-cum-Hardy FC are no more but turned out teams until 1939 with lesser success. Whalley Range AFC was founded in 1900 and keep the spirit of playing for the love of the game alive at their Kings Road ground.

They are in the Lancashire & Cheshire Amateur Football League and still enter a Lancashire FA competition. Marine, founded 1894, have their home in Crosby and are in level 7 of the football pyramid (that's six tiers below the Premier League). Manchester University still play the Association game. The Giant Axe grounds which once held agricultural shows, athletics, cycling and other sports are next to Lancaster railway station but Springfield Park, Wigan which older readers will remember as the home of both rugby and soccer is now under bricks and mortar. The Lancashire Amateur League, formed 1899 is still going strong with six divisions, 32 clubs fielding 71 teams but none from Manchester.

Detail from the 1909 Cup Final
Lawrence Beedle © 2017










Pictures; Lancashire Amateur Cup inaugurated 1893 from The History of the Lancashire FA book published 1928. and Lancashire Amateur Cup Final 1909 Preston Winckley v Smithhills. Sports photography was very rare with the cumbersome cameras and glass negatives but it gives the flavour of the football conditions of the period.

Wednesday, 16 August 2017

Chorlton A hotbed of Amateur Football .... a story by David Brundrit

In the 1800's rugby was the game played and one of the oldest clubs was Manchester FC founded in 1866 and whose ground was on Withington Road (now St. Bedes PF).

Chorlton Albion, 1924-25
The club also had a soccer team and in 1877 played Darwen in the first FA Cup Tie to be played in Manchester losing 3-1 and in 1886 were beaten by Newton Heath LYR (The Heathens) in the final of the Manchester & District Challenge Cup Final.

In the 1880's West Manchester were a top team who also played on the Withington Road ground and were founder members of the Lancashire League. On the 23/4/1887 West Manchester beat Newton Heath LYR who later changed their name to Manchester United 2-1 in the Manchester & District Challenge Cup Final.

Chorlton Albion, 19124-25
In the 1890's Chorlton-cum-Hardy & Whalley Range were playing friendly games on Withington Road and were two founder members of the Lancashire Amateur League Manchester Division in 1903 alongside Old Hulmeians (Wm.Hulme Grammar School old boys) who played on St.Werburghs Road and changed in St.Werburghs school. 1904  C_C_H and WR join together to form "The Chorlton"club for a tour of Germany.

In 1909 the LAL dropped the "Manchester Division" from their title and Manchester South East, again playing on Withington Road,joined the league so that 4 of the 9 clubs came from Chorlton.

1920 saw Old Chorltonians (Chorlton Grammar School old boys) joined the LAL and in 1921 Manchester YMCA were another club accepted into the LAL and they played at the bottom of Brantingham Road bordering onto Princess Road. Old Margaretians were an addition to the LAL in 1927 and played on their own ground on Brantingham Road.

Choelron Albion, 1924-25
The ground actually belong to St.Margaret's Sunday School and today is used by Maine Road FC who play in the North West Counties Premier League. Following St.Bedes College purchasing the ground on Withington Road Whalley Range eventually purchased their ground on Kings Road for £1,000 from Lord Egerton.

Churches, Sunday Schools and Boy's Brigade's formed teams and one such was Christ Church (on Princess Road) who later changed their name to West Didsbury and played across the road from the church on the corner with Barlow Moor Road,this was Christies Playing Field. West Didsbury played in the newly formed Lancashire & Cheshire League alongside two other clubs South Manchester and Rusholme on "Christies".

Further along Princess Road towards Manchester is Hough End Playing Fields the home of two top amateur clubs North Withington and East Chorlton amongst the many teams playing there. Both clubs eventually purchased their own gronds, North Withington on Altrincham Road Wythenshawe and East Chorlton at the bottom Of Brookburn Road Chorlton.

When East Chorlton became defunct West Didsbury obtained the ground and changed their name to West Didsbury & Chorlton. The ground was originally Chorlton-cum-Hardy Tennis and Bowling Club. WD&C also purchased the Hardy Lane UMIST site and the complex is a quality venue providing football for boys, girls and women.

Membership card Chorlton Albion, 1924-25
Chorlton Park has a number of football pitches and after the 2nd WW was the place to watch Sunday football which was not recognised by the Football Association and "pub" teams included professional and semi-professional players who supplemented their wages.

These games attracted big crowds as the teams made Millwall and Leeds Utd like Sunday School teams and the regular punch ups were an added bonus to the football.

The Harry Dalton PF on Wilbraham Road is now used by St.Bedes College but previously Wythenshawe Amateurs were amongst the many teams who used the ground. Harry Dalton was the founder of Wythenshawe Amateurs and the ground was originally known as the "Fed" ground as it is owned by the Manchester Federation of Boys Clubs and the home ground of Manchester United Youth team up to the 1960's. Chorlton Town beaten finalist on 4 occasions in the Manchester FA Challenge Trophy played on the ground when Wythenshawe Amateurs moved to Wythenshawe Cricket Club.

On  Mauldeth Road West where the Police Club is situated there was a fenced off pitch for the Deaf and Dumb club. Another small ground was at the top of Sandy Lane with the entrance  via Caddington Road owned by a motor company and used by various teams.

Footnote: Northern Nomads in the 1980's played on the ground now used by Maine Road FC and were the only club to have won both the FA Amateur Cup and the Welsh FA Amateur Cup and hold the record for attaining the highest score when beating Stockton 7-1 in the FA Amateur Cup Final in 1925.

It should be noted that they only managed to beat Whalley Range 1-0 in the last minute in the 1st Round of the FA Amateur Cup in 1925.

© David Brundrit, 2017

Pictures; courtesy of Anne Love

Thursday, 30 July 2015

Another story from Tony Goulding .............. the tragic death of Peter Mee

The Mee family are an old Chorlton family so I was drawn to Tony's latest story.

The Mersey by Jackson's Boat
In November 1923 a promising young footballer, Peter Mee, died tragically near this celebrated Chorlton-cum-Hardy landmark.

He was last seen on a very foggy "Guy Fawkes" day and his body was recovered from the River Mersey adjacent to Sale Golf Club some 6 weeks later.

Peter was born on March 30 1899 and christened at St.Clements the following month on April 30.

His parents were Thomas, a carter/"night soil man", for the various local authorities who ran the township at the turn of 19th-20th centuries, and his wife Jane (nee Pennington).

From the Hartlepool Mail, December 17 1923
At the time of the 1901 census the family were residing in Brownhill's Buildings off Sandy Lane but by 1911 they had moved to 31 Zetland Terrace, on the Green

On leaving school Peter became an apprentice in an iron works before seeing service in the fledgling Royal Air Force - - his 6 months engagement neatly spanning the armistice of November 1918 ending World War 1.

After demobilisation Peter's football career blossomed; he was for a time on the books of Manchester City although he never made an appearance for their first team.

Third Division North Final 1923-4
In July 1923 he was transferred to Southport F.C. (then in the Football League 3rd Division North)  for which club he made an impressive start scoring half a dozen times in just the 13 games he played for them, prior to his untimely demise.
 
Peter was buried in Southern Cemetery on December 19 1923 in S 512 the grave of his father, who had proceeded him in April 1918.

Peter's details are not visible on the headstone however, and there is no way of knowing the reason for this.






©Tony Goulding 2015

Pictures; Tony Goulding

Wednesday, 30 April 2014

The lost Chorlton football teams

This may well be the last of the stories on Chorlton Albion who were one of our amateur football teams in the 1920s.

I was first drawn to them by my friend Ann whose dad played for them and in searching its history I came across a lost football world.

Now I say lost but there will be those who indignantly write to me with details of all our local teams pointing out that in a club house somewhere in the township are the records of the games they played, the team lists and plenty of photographs.

I hope so if only to advance our knowledge.

But in the mean time here are the teams, courtesy of John R. Howard*

*Lancashire & Cheshire Amateur Football League 1909-2009, John R. Howard, 2008

**All the grounds of East Chorlton, 1933-94, Withington Road 1933-34, Boat House Field Northenden 1934-35, Hough End Fields 1935-61, Mersey Bank Playing Fields 1961-62 & 19665-66, Chorlton Grammar School 1962-65, Brookburn  Road 1966-94

Tuesday, 29 April 2014

Tracking the football career of young William Stevens of Chorlton

Chorlton Albion 1924-25
It began as a search for Chorlton Albion A.F.C., which was the team the young William Stevens played for in 1925 and as so often happens it became much more.*

"The early years of 20th Century saw the appearance of several football clubs in the suburbs, some short-lived. Chorlton Albion (1925), whose home pitch was on the corner of Hardy Lane and Barlow Moor Road, near where the Co-op is now"**

Now Albion are more likely to have had their ground further along Hardy Lane either sharing with Chorlton Cricket team or close by.

Chorlton Albion membership card 1924-25
Young William played for them and we have some team pictures in which he features along with newspaper reports which record his achievements and a series of postcards notifying him of away matches.

And as I write more of the team's story  is coming to light.

They were formed in 1922 and lasted till 1928 and during their last season played in "light blue shirts and white knickers."

We have a list of the President, Vice Presidents, the three secretaries and some of the players.

And I will soon have access to some fascinating newspaper clippings of the team during its last season, all of which should yield more about the Albion.

So for the time being that is it but judging by the newspaper reports there were plenty of different Chorlton clubs in the first two decades of the last century.

In 1907 Chorlton-cum-Hardy won the Lancashire Amateur Cup having defeated Whalley Range in the semi finals and scoring the only goal in the final against Manchester University who were reckoned to be the favourites.

Chorlton continued to play into the 1920s by which time there were others.

Chorlton Albion
These included Chorlton Road Congregational from 1911-1914, Chorlton Amateurs, who are listed in 1921, Chorltonville in 1924 and Old Chorltonians which first registered in 1920 and lasted till 1927 when they disbanded and formed a Rugby Club.

The following year another team bearing the name Old Chorltonians was established by former students of the local school and the club continues today although it dropped the “old” in 2007.

In that long history it saw off its rival team East Chorlton F.C which became Wilbrahampton, had great successes in the 1930s and folded in 1994.

Now it is possible William played for some of these other teams.  He was born in 1905 and depending on what happened to Albion could have joined East Chorlton and may well have dined out on the stories of Chorlton-cum-Hardy’s magnificent victory in the Lancashire Amateur Cup.

Manchester Guardian April 8 1907
But that I fear may have taken us into the realms of speculation.  So in true football style I shall close with the final comments from the Manchester Guardian for April 8 1907,

“The start saw University attack in great style, and Heap, before five minutes had passed tested Branston to this upmost.

The ball appeared to be going into the top corner of the goal, but at the right moment the Chorlton custodian jumped up and turned it over the bar – a splendid save.  Heap lost a grand opportunity soon afterwards.  


Away match postcard 1925
From a centre by Green he, with a clear course, shot yards over the bar.  
The point that gave Chorlton their victory came close to the interval.  

After the ball had been hovering about the University goal it came out to Wedge.  

He took the ball on the bounce, with a terrific drive shot into the net, well out of the reach of Knott.”***

And despite some close pressure on Chorlton during the second half the University could not score.

There is more but that I think is enough.
Instead I shall return to trawling the papers for more on our teams and in particular Chorlton Albion.

Pictures; from the collection of Ann Love.

* Who now remembers Chorlton Albion?  http://chorltonhistory.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/who-now-remembers-chorlton-albion.html

**South Manchester Remembered, Graham Phytian 2012

*** Lancashire Amateur Cup, Manchester Guardian, April 8 1907

Coming tomorrow, The lost Chorlton Football Teams

Thursday, 24 April 2014

Who now remembers Chorlton Albion?

Chorlton Albion, 1925
Now this is less a story and more an appeal for more stories.

It started yesterday with my new friend Ann asking about Chorlton Albion which had been active in the mid 1920s.

Her dad played for them and just to prove they existed she sent me some team pictures, lists of fixtures and a set of postcards inviting the players to away matches.

This was pretty much at the extent of my knowledge so I asked Lawrence who as ever came back straight away with
"The early years of 20th Century saw the appearance of several football clubs in the suburbs, some short-lived. Chorlton Albion (1925), whose home pitch was on the corner of Hardy Lane and Barlow Moor Road, near where the Co-op is now"*

And added “details about defunct football clubs at this level are patchy at best. It throws up questions of where there were any changing facilities, what fixtures did they play and in what colours?”

Away match postcard
Now I can help with the fixtures because Chorlton Albion appear to have played Stalybridge Celtic AFC on a regular basis, and using the away match postcards it was possible to track them down to Mottram Road where the club still play today.

Sadly Chorlton Albion didn’t stay the course.

Their ground was on Hardy Lane and they may have shared the pavilion and ground with the local cricket club.  Or on a stretch of open ground just a little to the east along Hardy Lane, where by 1934 there were tennis courts and another pavilion.

Which ever site it was in the way history repeats itself just a few years ago I was there watching one of my lads in a football competition.

I wish I had known about Albion then because there might have been something in the club house.

As it is there is one clue in that away match postcard for Stalybridge Celtic.  They were in the Cheshire League which had been formed in 1919 and which Celtic joined in 1923 replacing their reserve team who had been members from the start.

Given that Albion regularly played them I suppose there might me a possibility that our team was also in the Cheshire League, but so far I can find no record of their membership.

Site of their ground, from the OS map 1907
All of which leaves me with the hope that out there someone like Ann will have memories of the team or more pictures, and memorabilia.

That said Ann’s collection is a wonderful start and opens up a fascinating glimpse into such football teams.

The away postcards are couched in a style of writing we have long lost with the Secretary “inviting” her father to play and “being “obliged if you will take part.”

And like our brass band I am intrigued to know how the team got to Stalybridge.

Now my guess would be a train from Chorlton to Stockport and then out to Stalybridge, but I imagine some train buff will put me right on that journey and I am sure someone else will pour down information on the Albion.

Let’s hope so.

Pictures; from the collection of Ann Love.

* from Looking Back series in the South Manchester Reporter 19th August 2010 - Amateurs Had It All by Graham Phythian, a notable football historian.