Showing posts with label Old Trafford. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Old Trafford. Show all posts

Tuesday, 5 November 2019

Opening the insides of The Arkaday Soya Mill ............. on a November day

Now, it is easy to take the demolition of an old and redundant building for granted.

But that is not something Andy Robertson does.

Instead, he makes a point for recording the story, from its closure or vacancy, through to its demolition and on to the new build.

And the empty building which was part of the Arkady Soya Mill on Skirton Road has become one of his new projects.

It has already featured on the bog, and recently Andy was back, on a photo shoot which he concedes has seen little progress.

That said, two of the images caught my eye, and perfectly for me capture the end of what was once a busy productive place, and that was enough for me to include them.

Location; Old Trafford




Pictures; Skirton Road, 2019, from the collection of Andy Robertson


Saturday, 26 October 2019

Back at the Soya Mill on Skirton Road ........ watching the start of something new

I am back with one of Andy Robertson’s projects, which began last month when he happened down Seymour Grove, and then on to Tennis Street, finishing at Skirton Road.

For those who know the area, the Trafford end of Skirton Road was home to the Arkady Soya Mill, and part of the site is now under re-development.

Andy specializes in recording such developments, starting with the abandoned, or demolished building and moving on to chronicle the first day the builders broke the ground for the new construction and on to the finished property.

These projects will be an important historical record, so I am pleased he is in at the beginning of this one.

Added to which I like his pictures.

I knew little about the Arkady Soya Mill, other than that smell which hung in the air when we visited a friend’s house which was opposite.

But a trawl of internet offered up one site full of pictures of the interior after it had closed. *

For once I have resolved not to dig into the history of the building, because I am fully confident someone will supply chapter and verse.

Suffice to say that back in 1894 the site was the ground of the Northern Lawn Tennis Club which had been founded in 1881, and behind Skirton House which fronted Seymour Grove, which explains the origin of the names of Skirton Road and Tennis Street.

Sometime in the early 20th century the club moved to Didsbury, leaving the site open for industrial development.

And now that appears to have come full circle, leaving me just to say, watch this space.

Location; Old Trafford

Pictures; Skirton Road, 2019, from the collection of Andy Robertson

*  28DaysLater.co.uk - 28DL , https://www.28dayslater.co.uk/threads/british-arkady-industrial-bakery-old-trafford-january-2019.118716/

Thursday, 3 October 2019

Of tennis courts, a Soya Mill and a new project …….. down by Old Trafford ..... part two

About a week ago I featured Andy Robertson's new project which is to record the demise of part of the Soya Mill on Skirton Road in the Old Trafford.

Over the years Andy ghas done quite a few of these and they stand as a wonderful record of our changing industrial landscape.

So this is one of the dozen he took and it is my favourite.

Location; Skirton Road

Picture; demolition in progress, 2019 from the collection of Andy Robertson

*Of tennis courts, a Soya Mill and a new project …….. down by Old Trafford, https://chorltonhistory.blogspot.com/2019/09/of-tennis-courts-soya-mill-and-new.html

Monday, 23 September 2019

Outside White City

For most people White City and those gates are just back the drop to the retail park which in recent years has undergone a makeover.

But it has a long history, starting with the site of the former Manchester Botanic Gardens which hosted the Art Treasures Exhibition of 1857.

After it which has also been the site of an amusement park and a sports stadium for athletics, greyhound and stock car racing.

For those who want to know there are plenty of good references online.
For now, I shall concentrate on the picture.

I have no idea of the date, but it must e after 1907 when part of the former Botanical Gardens was leased to a company who opened the “White City Amusement Park on the site.

And just to the left of the photograph looks to be part of the amusement park.

I like the picture, more for its record of the groups of people going about their business, some of whom may be waiting to go in.

All very different from a day back in 1970 when I along with thousands of others converged on the place to demonstrate against the South African Rugby tour when that country was still locked into Apartheid.

Location; White City

Picture; White City, date unknown, courtesy of Steve

Tuesday, 17 September 2019

Of tennis courts, a Soya Mill and a new project …….. down by Old Trafford

Now Andy Robertson has begun a new project, which like all the others promises to be a wonderful record of how a derelict industrial site is redeveloped.

2014
Some may not agree with that new development, but all of us can admire the meticulous way Andy returns month after month to the same site, chronicling, first the demolition of the old buildings, and then later after the area has been cleared, the point at which the builders break the ground and the slow rise of something knew.

Andy is not alone in photographing old buildings past their sell by date, but what makes his work unique is the collection of a large number of pictures of one site, which in the future will be an invaluable resource to historians.

And so, to this project which is on Skirton Road at the Old Trafford end.

I must confess to looking across at this building down Tennis Street, from Seymour Grove and barely giving it a glance, and once in the 1970s visiting friends who lived opposite the building in a terrace of houses on what is now the car park of Iceland.

2019
From memory the building was part of the Arkady Soya Mill, and that much was confirmed by a trawl of internet, which offered up one site full of pictures of the interior after it had closed.*

For once I have resolved not to dig into the history of the building, because I am fully confident someone will supply chapter and verse.

Suffice to say that back in 1894 the site was the ground of the Northern Lawn Tennis Club which had been founded in 1881, and behind Skirton House which fronted Seymour Grove, which explains the origin of the names of Skirton Road and Tennis Street.

Sometime in the early 20th century the club moved to Didsbury, leaving the site open for industrial development.

And now that appears to have come full circle, leaving me just to say, watch this space.

Location; Old Trafford

Pictures; Skirton Road, 2014, and 2019, from the collection of Andy Robertson

*  28DaysLater.co.uk - 28DL , https://www.28dayslater.co.uk/threads/british-arkady-industrial-bakery-old-trafford-january-2019.118716/


Saturday, 25 March 2017

Clyne House in the Royal Botanical Gardens ............. another forgotten hospital from the Great War

Patients and staff, Cyne House, 1917
Now there will be some who know of Clyne House and can instantly point to where it was, but I am not one of them.

All I had to go on was this picture postcard dated Christmas 1917 and the caption “Clyne House, Military Hospital.”

It appears in a list of wartime hospitals offering no address but somewhere along the way I picked up a reference to the Royal School for the Deaf and Dumb which had been relocated from Salford in 1825 to the Royal Botanical Gardens in Old Trafford.

The school in the Royal Botanical Gardens, 1893
The school remained on the site until 1956 and there are pictures of the building from 1900 and shortly before its demolition in 1962.*

And like many other large buildings it was offered up as a Red Cross Hospital caring for men recovering from wounds and diseases.

In time I think I will go looking for more information on the hospital but I fear it will be an uphill struggle.

Patients and staff, 1917
Despite being staffed and often funded by local contributions the historical foot print of these hospitals is all too vague.

Most were established in schools, church halls and other public buildings with quite a few converted from private residences.

Once the war was over, all the equipment was auctioned off and most of the buildings were returned to their pre war use.

All of which meant that with in a generation they were all but forgotten.

But the clues are there, sometimes in the form of a newspaper report or a letter from a grateful soldier and if you are really lucky there will be a detailed account.

The work of one Red Cross Hospital in Didsbury appeared regularly in the Manchester Guardian while another on Edge Lane in Chorlton was included in a detailed report by the Red Cross of their hospital in south Lancashire and another on Manchester Road in Chorlton was the subject of a letter to the local parish magazine.**

Patients and staff Clyne House, 1917
In time I know I will return to Clyne House and discover more.

But for now I will just finish with a special thank you to David Harrop who has a vast collection of memorabilia from both word wars.

They cover everything from letters and postcards home to medals and souvenirs, all of which bring a wonderful insight in to the lives of people caught up in these huge conflicts.

And some of them form part of a permanent exhibition at the Remembrance Lodge in Southern Cemetery.







Picture; of Clyne House, Military Hospital Xmas 1917 from the collection of David Harrop and detail of the Edge Lane Bowling and Tennis Club, from the OS map of South Lancashire, 1893, courtesy of Digital Archives Association, http://www.digitalarchives.co.uk/

*Trafford Lifetimes, http://legacy.trafford.gov.uk/content/tca/search_results.asp?fTown=3&fDecade=*&fKeyword=Clyne+House

**Red Cross Hospitals, http://chorltonhistory.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Red%20Cross%20Hospitals

***David Harrop, http://chorltonhistory.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/David%20Harrop 

Monday, 6 June 2016

That hole in the ground on Ayres Road ................... lost Churches nu 2

It has been a long time since Andy Roberstson was down on Ayres Road.

Last time he just managed to capture what was left of the Congregational Church on the corner of Ayres Road and South Croston Street in the summer of 2013.*

It was built in 1861 and just over a hundred years later it joined with the English Presbyterian church to become the United Reform Church.

Back at the end of the 19th century it also had a large Sunday School hall on the other side of South Croston Street.

But changing population did for the church and after a long time lingering on as a shell it has gone.

All of which just leaves me to post Andy’s pictures with a promise that as the site is redeveloped he will be there to record the next chapter.

Location, Ayres Road Old Trafford




Pictures; Ayres Road and the Congregational Church 2013-2016 from the collection of Andy Robertson

*Lost Churches, https://chorltonhistory.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Lost%20Churches

Monday, 18 April 2016

The transformation of the Throstles Nest on Seymour Grove

Now there will be plenty of people with fond memories of the Throstles Nest on Seymour Grove.

I am not one of them but that is purely because it was not on my route of places to go.

Having lived all over south Manchester as well as Beswick, Bradford and Ashton-Under-Lyne by the time I setteled in Chorlton in the 70s I was happy just to stay very local.

That said Andy who took these pictures of the transformation of the old pub along with me would welcome any one who has a story to tell or even a picture of the place in its heyday.

Like so many familiar pubs it went.  I have no idea exactly why but I suspect it will be the usual explanation of being unable to buck the trend of cheap supermarket alcohol, and wine bars.

But unlike the Princess and the Mersey Hotel the building is still there although as the pictures show much changed.

Which just leaves me to thank Andy for this one which is a project he has kept going back to since he first noticed that the last pint had been pulled and the final last orders called.

Location Seymour Grove








Pictures. the Throstles Nest, 2014, and 2016 from  the collection of Andy Robertson


Friday, 11 March 2016

“It doesn't get any more exciting than this” .................. street furniture on Warwick Road South

“It doesn't get any more exciting than this,” and with that Andy went on to say “I don't recall seeing one of these before but then I have led a sheltered life. Spotted on Warwick Road South, if you zoom in it says “"STRETFORD URBAN DISTRICT COUNCIL STREET LIGHTING"

And its amazing what more you can learn.  My old friend Graham Gill added to more on e of which was in much better condition than the other and called them Lucy Boxes which was totally new to me, but Neil Simpson put me right, they were so called because they were manufactured by Lucy of Oxford.
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Warwick Road South, 2016

Stretford  Urban District Street Lighting
No more to say, a smashing bit of street furniture.

Thank you Andy Robertson.

And its amazing what more you can learn.

My old friend Graham Gill added to more on them including another two pictures, one  of which was in much better condition than the other.

He referred to them as  Lucy Boxes which was totally new to me, but Neil Simpson put me right.

They were so called because they were manufactured by Lucy of Oxford.

So it would appear Andy and I are not along in finding street furniture and more especially these ones fascinating.

Wythenshawe
So in the words of some one more famous than me, "bring on the rest."

















Location; Old Trafford & Manchester
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Picture, a bit of street furniture, unknown date from the collection of Andy Robertson, 2016 and two more from Graham Gill, 2016

Monday, 29 February 2016

Down at the Throstles Nest something is stirring

Now Andy Robertson has been out again on Seymour Grove with a new picture of the Throstles Nest.

He was last there in July at which time I speculated on the future.*

The one planning application just referred to “Erection of a pitched roof to existing two storey flat roof, including an increase in the height of the eaves”**

And eight months on its the only one that I could find on the data base.

So that must be the work that is about to be undertaken.

Location; Old Trafford, Greater Manchester








Pictures; the Throstles Nest, 2015 &2016 from the collection of Andy Robertson


*What's happening with that not so historic Throstles Nest on Seymour Grove?
http://chorltonhistory.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/whats-happening-with-that-not-so.html

**Trafford Council Planning,  82950/FULL/2014,  http://publicaccess.trafford.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=externalDocuments&keyVal=ZZZW32QLTA001

Thursday, 31 December 2015

Down at Basford House on Seymour Grove ......... revealing more about a Red Cross Hospital

This was Stretford Memorial Hospital on Seymour Grove which closed earlier this year.

It had opened its doors as a Red Cross Hospital in October 1914 and before that had been the home of the Nuttal family when it was known as Basford House.

I recently wrote about its time both as a hospital and a private residence* but have been drawn back by an entry in the official history of the Red Cross in East Lancashire during the Great War.**

The book was published in 1916 and contains descriptions of all the Red Cross hospitals in the area during the first two years of the war along with the names of the nursing and ancillary staff and offers a fascinating insight into the working of each establishment.

According to the book,

“Basford House was lent to the local British Red Cross Branch for conversion into an Auxiliary Hospital by James Nuttall, Esq., of Hale.

Seven wards have been arranged, together with mess room and day room, staff room, kitchens, etc., and the light airy aspect of the patients’ quarters has proved very cheerful.

Practically all the furniture and appurtenances were given or loaned by the local residents, and in consequence the cost of equipping was low, being under £100.

The Hospital was opened on October 28, 1914, providing accommodation for twenty patients but ten more beds were added during April, [1915] when more provision was essential to meet the requirements of the increased number of wounded soldiers coming to Manchester.

The upkeep of the Hospital has cost about 2s 8d  per bed, and this has been defrayed by the War Office Capitation Grant, augmented by public subscription.

Numerous entertainments have been provided in the wards, and the ample grounds surrounding the hospital have afforded facilities for tennis, croquet, football, etc.”**

Of the 154 men who were cared for between October 1914 and August 1915, 138 were British, 11 were from Australia and five were Belgians.  Most had “contracted their primary wounds” on the Western Front with having been wounded at Gallipoli and three from with Great Britain.

Of these 87 were bullet and shrapnel wounds, 5 were suffering from having been gassed, 18 from frost bite and the remainder were listed as “Miscellaneous.”

The average stay was 32 days and most went on to a period of sick furlough.

In this respect the information differs little from what was recorded from other Red Cross Hospitals and so offers up an insight into the impact of the fighting during the first year and a bit.***

Added to that what comes through is the huge voluntary contribution made by the local community.

We know that in the case of the Chorlton hospital on Edge Lane local fund raising provided a substantial amount towards the cost of running the establishment and caring for the patients.

And like Chorlton it should be possible to track the named staff using the Red Cross data base,**** census material, street directories and newspapers which will take us deep into the local community.

Now the book lists the names of 27 nurses, 25 orderlies and 12 cooks and at random I picked Mrs Cochrane who the database tells me was a Mrs Elizabeth Bertha Cochrane who was engaged on the day Batsford House opened and may well have been related to Miss Madge Cochrane who also started in October 1914 and Miss Muriel Cochrane who began service two years later.

With a bit of research it should be possible to track them down and maybe reveal a little of their work at the hospital.

We shall see.

Picture; Basford House, circa 1914, from East Lancashire Branch - An illustrated account of the work of the Branch during the first year of the war, 1916 and the hospital circa 1914 from the collection of David Harrop

Painting; Stretford Memorial Hospital © 2015 Peter Topping from an original photograph by Andy Robertson

Web: www.paintingsfrompictures.co.uk

Facebook: Paintings from Pictures https://www.facebook.com/paintingsfrompictures

Additional material courtesy of the archivist of the Red Cross Society http://www.redcross.org.uk/

*Stretford Memorial Hospital, http://chorltonhistory.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Stretford%20Memorial%20Hospital

**East Lancashire Branch - An illustrated account of the work of the Branch during the first year of the war, 1916

***First World War volunteers, The Red Cross, http://www.redcross.org.uk/About-us/Who-we-are/History-and-origin/First-World-War

***Red Cross Hospitals, http://chorltonhistory.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Red%20Cross%20Hospitals


****First World War volunteers, The Red Cross, http://www.redcross.org.uk/About-us/Who-we-are/History-and-origin/First-World-War


Revealing the history of Batsford House on Seymour Grove ............... another Red Cross Hospital

This was Stretford Memorial Hospital on Seymour Grove which closed earlier this year.

It had opened its doors as a Red Cross Hospital in October 1914 and before that had been the home of the Nuttal family when it was known as Batsford House.

I recently wrote about its time both as a hospital and a private residence* but have been drawn back by an entry in the official history of the Red Cross in East Lancashire during the Great War.**

The book was published in 1916 and contains descriptions of all the Red Cross hospitals in the area during the first two years of the war along with the names of the nursing and ancillary staff and offers a fascinating insight into the working of each establishment.

According to the book,

“Batsford House was lent to the local British Red Cross Branch for conversion into an Auxiliary Hospital by James Nuttall, Esq., of Hale.

Seven wards have been arranged, together with mess room and day room, staff room, kitchens, etc., and the light airy aspect of the patients’ quarters has proved very cheerful.

Practically all the furniture and appurtenances were given or loaned by the local residents, and in consequence the cost of equipping was low, being under £100.

The Hospital was opened on October 28, 1914, providing accommodation for twenty patients but ten more beds were added during April, [1915] when more provision was essential to meet the requirements of the increased number of wounded soldiers coming to Manchester.

The upkeep of the Hospital has cost about 2s 8d  per bed, and this has been defrayed by the War Office Capitation Grant, augmented by public subscription.

Numerous entertainments have been provided in the wards, and the ample grounds surrounding the hospital have afforded facilities for tennis, croquet, football, etc.”**

Of the 154 men who were cared for between October 1914 and August 1915, 138 were British, 11 were from Australia and five were Belgians.  Most had “contracted their primary wounds” on the Western Front with having been wounded at Gallipoli and three from with Great Britain.

Of these 87 were bullet and shrapnel wounds, 5 were suffering from having been gassed, 18 from frost bite and the remainder were listed as “Miscellaneous.”

The average stay was 32 days and most went on to a period of sick furlough.

In this respect the information differs little from what was recorded from other Red Cross Hospitals and so offers up an insight into the impact of the fighting during the first year and a bit.***

Added to that what comes through is the huge voluntary contribution made by the local community.

We know that in the case of the Chorlton hospital on Edge Lane local fund raising provided a substantial amount towards the cost of running the establishment and caring for the patients.

And like Chorlton it should be possible to track the named staff using the Red Cross data base,**** census material, street directories and newspapers which will take us deep into the local community.

Now the book lists the names of 27 nurses, 25 orderlies and 12 cooks and at random I picked Mrs Cochrane who the database tells me was a Mrs Elizabeth Bertha Cochrane who was engaged on the day Batsford House opened and may well have been related to Miss Madge Cochrane who also started in October 1914 and Miss Muriel Cochrane who began service two years later.

With a bit of research it should be possible to track them down and maybe reveal a little of their work at the hospital.

We shall see.

Picture; Batsford House, circa 1914, from East Lancashire Branch - An illustrated account of the work of the Branch during the first year of the war, 1916 and the hospital circa 1914 from the collection of David Harrop

Painting; Stretford Memorial Hospital © 2015 Peter Topping from an original photograph by Andy Robertson

Web: www.paintingsfrompictures.co.uk

Facebook: Paintings from Pictures https://www.facebook.com/paintingsfrompictures

Additional material courtesy of the archivist of the Red Cross Society http://www.redcross.org.uk/

*Stretford Memorial Hospital, http://chorltonhistory.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Stretford%20Memorial%20Hospital

**East Lancashire Branch - An illustrated account of the work of the Branch during the first year of the war, 1916

***First World War volunteers, The Red Cross, http://www.redcross.org.uk/About-us/Who-we-are/History-and-origin/First-World-War

***Red Cross Hospitals, http://chorltonhistory.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Red%20Cross%20Hospitals


****First World War volunteers, The Red Cross, http://www.redcross.org.uk/About-us/Who-we-are/History-and-origin/First-World-War



Saturday, 19 December 2015

A painting, a hospital and a story of a local building company ............. at Stretford Memorial Hospital

This is Stretford Memorial Hospital on Seymour Grove, or at least it was because it closed in October of this year.

And that closure ended a century of medical care which had begun with the Great War.

Now I am deep into researching its history as a Red Cross hospital which in time will yield how many beds it had, the number of patients it received during its first year of service and the names of its medical staff.

And judging by its size and location close to the railway it would have been welcomed by the Red Cross when it was handed over by its last owner who I am pretty sure was Mr James Nuttall who lived there with his wife Beatrice, five children and four servants.

The property was known as Basford House and contained fourteen rooms set in its own grounds.
James Nuttall was a public contractor, and in the space of a decade had risen from being an assistant in the family firm to running the business with his brother.

In 1911 Edmund Nuttall & Co was  based on Trafford Park Road.

"The company was founded by James Nuttall Snr in Manchester in 1865 to undertake engineering works associated with infrastructure developments, such as the Manchester Ship Canal, which opened in 1894 and the narrow gauge Lynton and Barnstaple Railway, which opened in 1898.


In the 1900s and 1910s James Nuttall Snr's two sons—Sir Edmund Nuttall, 1st Baronet (1870–1923), who was made a baronet in 1922, and James Nuttall (1877–1957)—built the company into a nationwide business.”*

In the 1920s and 1930s the company was run by Sir Edmund's son, Sir Keith Nuttall, 2nd Baronet (1901–1941), who served in the Royal Engineers in the Second World War."

And in the course of its long history was responsible for a shed load of civil and industrial projects including the Liver Building, tunnels under the Mersey, the Thames and the Tyne and during the Second World War were one of the contractors engaged in building the Mulberry harbour units.

All of which means that James Nuttall was no jobbing builder, but does not help me with the big question of where the family went in 1914 when they handed their home over to the Red Cross.

That and much more about the building will unfold, and when it does I rather think I will feature Peter’s painting of the hospital all over again.

Painting; Stretford Memorial Hospital © 2015 Peter Topping from an original photograph by Andy Robertson

Web: www.paintingsfrompictures.co.uk

Facebook: Paintings from Pictures https://www.facebook.com/paintingsfrompictures

*BAM Nutall, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAM_Nuttall

Tuesday, 24 November 2015

A bit of Little Italy on Warwick Road South ............ another project from Andy Robertson

Never ever be surprised at how little bits of our history can turn up in the most unexpected places.

That said I am rarely surprised at Andy Robertson’s ability to turn up those bits of history which others have so totally missed.

So last weekend while out on Warwick Road South he came up with a fascinating bit of industrial history which has links with Little Italy and Manchester’s ice cream past.

And not to out change Andy I will leave the rest to him and his links to one of my favourite bits of our city’s story.

“I decide to take these of Warwick Road South yesterday as it was nice light and nobody about. 

Then I noticed a sign on the rear of a building on Ayres Road for The International Wafer Company. 

Presumably this sign was pretty much hidden when the other buildings were there. 

It was founded by Domenico Antonelli, an immigrant from Italy, in 1912. 

In 1926 they moved to this purpose built building on Ayres Road.

Check out The Antonelli Story -- Little Italy on the  internet.*

Also there is an excellent aerial photo of the brand new building on Trafford Lifetimes site, aerial view of Old Trafford, 1926.”**

And that is it.

Other than to say the entrance is still an impressive way into an ice cream factory.













Pictures;  The International Wafer Company, November 2015 from the collection of Andy Robertson

* The Antonelli Story, http://www.ancoatslittleitaly.com/antonelli.html

** Trafford Lifetimes,  https://apps.trafford.gov.uk/TraffordLifetimes/

Saturday, 8 August 2015

Down on Lucy Street with a mystery

The romantic in me lingers over names like Lucy Street which offers up all sorts of speculation on who Lucy was and how her name ended up on a street stretching from City Road down to Stretford Road.

And in the same way I have wondered about that other Lucy Street in Lower Broughton

Of course there will as ever be some tedious and mundane explanation usually focusing on the surname of the developer responsible for cutting the road.

All of which is a lead in to Andy Robertson’s picture of this bit of brick wall.

It stands on the east side of the street just a little bit down from City Road and I am puzzled.  The adjoin building has an owner whose name and telephone number are neatly fastened to the wall and judging by the place it has undergone many uses.

But when it was built and its original function eludes me.  Looking at the OS map for 1894 the plot of land seems empty and sixteen years later the first buildings recorded on the directory are a school and timber merchants.

And the rest of the street on both sides appears to be residential.

So, a little mystery which may not be very exciting but one that I would like to understand.

Picture; Lucy Street, 2015, from the collection of Andy Robertson

Tuesday, 7 July 2015

What's happening with that not so historic Throstles Nest on Seymour Grove?

Now I wonder how history will treat the Throstle’s Nest on Seymour Grove.

There will be many who have fond memories of the place and others who would rather draw a veil over the night when it just seemed a good idea to treble up the drinks at last orders having already drunk the night away to the strains of Fleetwood Mac and a series of stories from Ken from Dispatch.

All of that said it is another of Andy Robertson’s projects, and having visited it a few times since it shut up shop yesterday he was back recording the first signs of movement with three pictures, commenting on “the very slow and slightly unsure progress of the 'Nest.

You can now see the new flooring layout.

It will be interesting to see what happens to the existing windows and where new ones might go?”

Well there is an application in for the “erection of a pitched roof to existing two storey flat roof, including an increase in the height of the eaves.”*

Andy I know did some research on the building and that excellent site Manchester Pubs has written"this once-popular local's boozer on the Old Trafford - Whalley Range border closed down in 2010.  The Throstles Nest was also a match day boozer for Man Utd fans but despite this it has gone the way of so many inner city alehouses." With one of its contributors adding that it opened in 1968.**

All of which will just leave Andy to go back and see how things are developing.










Pictures; the Throstles Nest, 2015 from the collection of Andy Robertson

*Trafford Council Planning,  82950/FULL/2014,  http://publicaccess.trafford.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=externalDocuments&keyVal=ZZZW32QLTA001

** Throstles Nest, Seymour Grove, http://pubs-of-manchester.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/throstles-nest-seymour-grove.html

Thursday, 10 April 2014

What we have lost on Ayres Road down by Brook's Bar

The Church in 2013
Now this is one of those buildings Andy Robertson captured on film just before it went.

This was all that was left of the Chorlton Road Congregational Church on the corner of Ayres Road and South Croston Street in the summer of 2013.

It was built in 1861 and just over a hundred years later it joined with the English Presbyterian church to become the United Reform Church.

Back at the end of the 19th century it also had a large Sunday School hall on the other side of South Croston Street.

The Church in 1894
Both were still standing when Mike Berrell took his pictures in 2006 but in the following years the Sunday School was demolished and when Andy happened this way in the summer of 2013 the church was about to follow.

Already the sale of land sign was up and half the roof had gone.  But even by then the church was a shadow of its former self.

Looking at the OS map for 1894 the foot print of the church pretty much extended up to Chorlton Road.

At sometime in the last two decades most of it was knocked down and replaced by a block of flats which abutted the remaining part of the church, and now even this has gone.

The church plot in 2014
Those with a keen eye will still be able to trace the original stone wall that ran along Ayrers Road and round on to Chorlton Road and in one of Andy’s pictures the tiled drive can still be seen.

Now for some this will have little meaning and be of no consequence, but I like to know where the old buildings were and something of their fate, so yet again it is a thank you to Andy who was in the right place at just the right moment.

Pictures; of the Chorlton Road Congregational Church in 2013  from the collection of Andy Robertson, and the church in 1894 from the OS for South Lancashire, 1894, courtesy of Digital Archives Association, http://www.digitalarchives.co.uk/

* Chorlton Road Congregational Church Mike Berrell in 2006, http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Stretford/ChorltonRoadCongregational.shtml