Showing posts with label St Matthew's Stretford. Show all posts
Showing posts with label St Matthew's Stretford. Show all posts

Monday, 13 April 2026

On the parish, seeking benefits in the Stretford of 1807





Mary Crowther was just 18 in 1765 when she was removed from Stretford by the authorities and sent back to Chorlton.

They did this under a removal order which gave them the power to send anyone who had settled in the parish without permission back to the place of their birth.  It was a straightforward piece of economics which was designed to root out anyone who might make a claim on the parish for support in a time of need.

And Mary may well have been just such a person.  In 1765 after arriving back in Chorlton she gave birth to the first of three children all born out of wedlock.

In a period of heightened debate about benefits and the drain on the public purse the actions of St Matthew’s Parish authorities might seem all too familiar.

Now Mary’s story has been well covered already*so instead I shall concentrate on some of the other decisions made by the overseer of Stretford.

The years just before and after Waterloo** were hard times and the parish of St Matthew’s responded to requests for help.  So in the year 1810-11, James Mee the overseer regularly paid out between £40 and £90 a month in relief, with the highest sums in the winter months when little work could be done on the land.

But it was always the bastardy payments which feature prominently.

For women like Mary Crowther who had done penance and had had three illegitimate children between 1765 and 1782 there was a greater recognition of the father’s responsibility. Mary could turn to the law for help and although we have no records for Mary there are other recorded cases.    

And it is those from Stretford which throw a light on how unmarried mothers were treated. These are the Orders for Maintenance of Bastard Children, and Bastardy Bonds which identified the adult male who would support the child as well as other miscellaneous Orders Relating to Bastardy. ***for , and across the country many of these records have survived in greater quantities.


They reveal a straightforward system designed to identify the father and bring him to court.  This might begin with an examination of the mother by a magistrate or if she was already in labour by a midwife.  These Bastardy Examinations were common in the early eighteenth century.    Having achieved the information a Bastardy Warrant was issued ordering a Constable to bring the father before the Magistrate.  If the case was successfully made then a Bastardy Order was issued which identified the man and stipulated the amount he was to pay.

The documents were pre-printed with spaces for the magistrates to write the names of the mother and father and the amount that had to be paid.  Some of the Stretford ones for the years 1702-1811 reveal the estimated costs which the father was expected to pay.  

Often the sum was decided on a yearly basis which would then be paid quarterly.  This amount varied and may have been based on circumstances.

The figure of 26 shillings [£1.30p] for the year payable until the child was fourteen appears in some of the Stretford documents but others set an initial payment to cover the birth ranging from £2 down to 10s. [50p] and specify that further payments should be made weekly.

These also varied from 30d [7p] to 7d [3p].   In some cases the mother was expected to contribute and this could be 18d [7p].

Attempting to make sense of these awards is fraught, but some idea of their monetary worth can be gauged by making a comparison with wage rates and some examples of the cost of living.  Just twenty years later in 1830 Mary Bailey and Higginbotham the farmer agreed an annual salary of £7.10s [£7.50] from which she bought  in January a pair of stays which cost 10s.6d, [52p], in May a new cap worth  1s.8d [7p] and in July repaired her shoes for 2s.8d [14p].  The cost of renting on the Row for a farm labourer varied from 10d [8p] to 5s [25p] a week.    Finally the day rate for women workers in the south west was between 7-10d [3p].

Against this backdrop of wages, and spending the magistrates determined that the cost of maintaining an illegitimate child was 7d [3p] a day and this was slightly more generous than the 26 shillings {£1.30p].

So in the year 1807 which seems typical, Catherine Ashcroft received 5/- on April 28th, the widow Pinnington 2/6d and Margaret Thompson 3/-

But the system was flawed and there were many in the early nineteenth century who said so.    The moralists argued that payments to a single mother only encouraged illegitimacy and they may even be evidence to suggest they were partly right.  Both here in the township and in the Parish of Ironville in Derbyshire and no doubt many other areas,  some woman gave birth to a number of children out of wedlock. Their story is also covered in my book.

The next task will be to trawl the records and see what happened to Catherine Ashcroft, the widow Pinnington, and Margaret Thompson.

I suspect that their stories will be like many of the women from Chorlton, who went on to get married, although in the case of Mary Crowther she did not, living out her days with one of her sons in a wattle an daub cottage on the site of the Trevor arms on Beech Road.

And as ever I stand by a correction from Bill Sumner who wrote "The Stretford records you allude to were not in the Parish of St Matthew as that church was not then built, they are the records of Stretford Old Chapel and much more can be read of similar cases in The History of the Old Chapel of Stretford by Sir Bosdin Leech. Charles Walker of Barlow Hall settled later in Longford House Stretford and became Poor Law Guardian for Sretford, he ruthlessly cut down on the number of persons receiving benefit from the town excluding all who were originally from elsewhere".

Pictures, Mary Crowther's gravestone from the collection of Andrew Simpson,  map of Stretford from Greenwoods map, courtesy of Digital Archives, 1818, http://www.digitalarchives.co.uk/  Bastardy Orders, courtesy of Manchester Libraries, Information and Archives, Manchester City Council

*The Story of Chorlton-cum-Hardy, Andrew Simpson 2012, the History Press, http://chorltonhistory.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/A%20new%20book%20for%20Chorlton
**The Battle of Waterloo 1815
***  St Matthew Overseers of the Poor,  Manchester Archives L89/9/14

Tuesday, 25 February 2025

Where are you now? .....not quite lost but now very found

I am guessing there will be a very simple answer which will make me look daft, but I wonder where this milestone is now? And of course there was ..... jist read to the bottom.

The "Old Mile Post", 1965

It was according to the caption the “Old Mile Post, Chester Road, Stretford, (outside St Matthews Church)”.

Now I was there a few months ago and couldn’t see it.

But back then I wasn’t looking for it, and indeed only discovered it last week when I was looking through a set of colour slides, donated by the daughter of the chap who took the pictures.

In all there are 32 images, which cover Manchester, Salford, Stretford, Wythenshawe and Chorlton.

The collection was made in the summer of 1965, and are mix of industrial scenes, some historic buildings and a few of city centre Manchester.

So that is it.

My old fellow wanderer through the past, Bill Sumner has promised to investigate.

The Great Stone, 1965
Leaving me just to add the bonus picture of the Great Stone, which Historic England tells me “is probably the remains of a medieval boundary cross. 

It is now at the entrance to Gorse Hill Park but it originally stood on the south side of the Roman road from Manchester to Chester. 

It was moved here in 1925. It is also thought to have been used later as a plague stone. Plague stones had holes in, usually filled with vinegar, where money from an infected town could be placed so that trades people delivering food could collect it. 

This meant they did not have to come in to contact with those infected. The vinegar was thought to act as a disinfectant on the money”.*

So, 40 years after it was placed in the park it was the subject of a photograph, and while I can be sure of its location I bet there will be someone with an alternative explanation for its origin.

We shall see

Where Chris and others said it was, 2025
And sure enough the answer to the missing mile post has been solved.

It is outside the St Ann's Chruch on Chester Road.  Apologies to all those who correctlty located it and to who I said it wasn't, and to Chris Geliher,who had the patience and the determination to offer up an image of the mile post in situ.

In my defence it is much smaller than I thought it would be in real life and missed it on my google maps trawl of  Chester Road.

*The Great Stone, Chester Road, Stretford, Greater Manchester, Historic England, https://historicengland.org.uk/services-skills/education/educational-images/the-great-stone-chester-road-stretford-8408

Location; Stretford

Pictures; Old Mile Post and Great Stone, 1965 from the 1965 Collection, and the Mile Post outside St Ann's Church, 2025, from Chris Geliher

Wednesday, 11 September 2019

Apologies Stretford …………………

Now along with apologizing to Stretford, I should also tender equal apologies to St Matthews parish church and to Stretford Cemetery.


It was Bill Sumner who gently pointed out my mistake which was to confuse St Matthews with the Chapel of Rest in Stretford Cemetery.

Way back in 1979 I had wandered on to the Meadows, followed the course of Chorlton Brook and then took the north bank of the Mersey round and discovered the weir, which had been built in the late 18th century and rebuilt in the 1840s.

Its purpose was to break the force of flood water from the river and channel it across open land to the Kickety Brook, and in that way protect the viaduct carrying the Duke’s Canal.

On a very dry summer the land in front of the weir was used for grazing cows, and on that hot summer’s day in 1979, that is what I saw, and just assumed the church in the background was St Mathews, which of course was lazy of me, because as Bill pointed out, “St Matthews Church does not have a spire, the Cemetery Chapel at Stretford is in your photo. 

I leave you with an old photo of St Matts and a bit of history... caught you with your pants down on this one”.

And yes, he did ……………. and yes, it is the one in Stretford Cemetery.

So, trousers down, egg on my face, and a thank you to Bill for rescuing me from making that mistake again.

Leaving me just to revisit the cows, which are cows ....... I think.

Location; by the weir behind the river, looking towards Stretford Cemetery.

Picture; by the weir behind the river, looking towards Stretford Cemetery, 1979, from the collection of Andrew Simpson