Showing posts with label Greenwich in the 1960s. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Greenwich in the 1960s. Show all posts

Saturday, 30 May 2026

Take one young lad …….. several jobs working by the River …… and you get a bit of history

 Now, even on an August morning with the promise of a hot day ahead, standing at the bus stop opposite the Woolwich Ferry at 5 in the morning could be a grim place.


And when the weather had turned sour, and the wind and sleet swept off the River it was not the best way to start the day.


But then I was lucky, all my jobs along the Thames were indoors, not for me the full force of the weather unloading goods from a tramp steamer or scraping the bottom of a rusty old vessel in one of those small boat yards along the River. 

Instead I spent a time in the old R.A.C.S. food warehouse, dispatching groceries to stores across south east London and beyond.

It was a fascinating place, where its earlier life lingered on in the powerful smell of tea which permeated one floor, and the loop holes on all the floors which gave access to the River, but I guess had long ago seen the last cargoes hoisted  from the jetty water side.


When I worked there in the early 1970s everything came in and went back out by road, and the closest I could get to the Thames was from those loop holes.

And now the building has gone.  Just when this complex of Victorian warehouses was demolished  I have yet to discover, but gone it has.

And so it seems has Glenvilles which was close to the Blackwall Tunnel and stood in the shadow of Tunnel Refineries.  

Even now a full 52 years later I can still remember that pungent smell from the Refineries.


It always won out over the variety of odours at Glenvilles, which made everything from custard and blancmange powder, to Ice Pops and powdered milk.

I say powdered milk but to be more accurate it turned milk powder into granules for a variety of companies from Sainsbury, Tesco to Fine Fare.

The process was a simple enough one and involved blowing milk powder along giant stainless steel tubes under heat, which turned the powder into granuales.

The story was that the process came from Arizona, which is hot and dry, but made for difficulties in a factory beside the Thames where the climate can be damp and cold.

The upshot was that on some days the parts clogged up and production stuttered to a halt, and on a very bad day ceased all together, which was bad news given that we were on a bonus scheme.

Nor was that all, because the outlet valve where the granules left the tube was often faulty, which presented problems.  Ideally it was a simple task, to fill a 56 lb bag of the stuff and shut the tap off.  But 

When the tap was faulty one of the team had to place his had underneath it while the other quickly yanked the bag away and replaced it with another.  Any tardiness on the part of the team could lead to a spillage of very hot granules across the floor and led to a cloud of milk dust which clung to your overalls, mixed with your perspiration and made for rivulets of sticky sweet smelling milk to run down your face.

Later in the cooler parts of the plant that milk powder hardened on your boiler suit forming a crunchy surface, which fellow passengers on the bus home stayed well away from, making you the Billy No Mates of London Transport. But it did have just one perk, and that was the after shift drink in the Cutty Sark pub.


The early shift ran from six till two, offered up the chance of a couple of pints at the end of a very long morning, with the added pleasure of mixing with those who had shot across the River to take in the atmosphere of “that delightful and still genuine watering hole”.

Needless to say their visit was a tad challenged by the two young workers in boilersuits emanating a distinct milk perfume and shedding the occasional crispy white flakes.

It was a childish tilt at “class war”, which I doubt pleased the landlord, and still involved that long bus journey back to Eltham.


All of which is now over 50 years ago. In the intervening decades I have added several other jobs to the portfolio including a builder’s labourer in Blackheath, a scaffolder’s mate, and a brief brush with the post office in Eltham.  This last job hardly counts as a job as it was as temporary postman in the run up to Christmas, and I lasted but two days.

Leaving me just to admit that for 35 years I taught in inner city schools, and now fill out my time as a researcher and a writer.

But I still look back on those first jobs, and reflect that while I have changed so has much of the River that I knew.


Some of what has gone is no loss.  Those dangerous low paid jobs which offered little security can surely not be missed, along with the overcrowded and unsanitary dwelling places tucked away and out of sight.  

Here were strong communities bounded together by poverty and adversity, but lets not kid ourselves that poverty and adversity, are anthing to be nostalgic for.

I do miss the bustle of the River, and the hours I spent as a kid wandering the area, but the past should always be judged with a critical eye.  

I remember my foreman at Glenvilles admitting that he never ate the left overs from the Sunday roast, reckoning it was not a question of wasting food, but just simply it reminded him of growing up in the age of "make do and mend", where new was a luxury, and food remainded something to be grateful for.

Location; between Woolwich and Greenwich along the Thames, in the 1960s and 70s

Pictures; Woolwich and Greenwich, the 1970s, from the collection of Andrew Simpson

Tuesday, 3 February 2026

On the Trafalgar Road in 1968 …….. Austen’s ….. that record shop and a slew of ancient memories

This is Trafalgar Road in the spring of 1968.

It was taken by John King, and I am grateful that he has given me permission to use it, because it has set the memories going.

Two years earlier I knew this stretch well because I worked at Austen’s camping shop, which was a job at which  I didn’t crown myself with glory.

But then I was only 16, had big issues with adding up, dispensing the correct change and could never remember which tent was best for a back packing couple.

Even now the smell of canvas, and assorted plastic macs brings back the shop and the summer of 1966 on Trafalgar Road.

The shop has gone, and I think judging by the geography of this bit of the road, it is now an Iceland, but then the building that was the cinema no longer shows films and the old record shop just on from the church offers up all things plumbing instead of all things vinyl.

Not that I suspected any of these haunts of my youth would still exist.

It is after all 60 years since I spent my dinner hours in that record shop, but I still remember the collection of early Bob Dylan LPs I bought there, which are still in the collection.

And when I bring them out flashes of the Woolwich and Trafalgar Roads jump back.

All of which will bore some readers, provoke others to bring out their own memories, and yet more to take a wander down the two roads to do their own "then and now" comparisons.

I cant remember when the hospital was opened, but vaguely think it was being built in that summer I sold camping knives, and in turn bought the record Bob Dylan.

Incidentally that LP had been issued four years earlier, cost me £2.99 and retails now on some sites for £50.

So, all in all nostalgia was a lot cheaper then than now.

Leaving me just to add John’s comment to his picture, “People complain about traffic, but just remember if you are stuck in traffic you are part of the problem.

Ah the golden days of the 60s when traffic jams had not been invented. Think again, Woolwich Road, Greenwich seen in 1968. 

Something had happened in the Blackwall Tunnel, although the second tunnel opened a year earlier the approach road had not been completed.

The vehicles of a couple of old SE London firms can be seen. RACS and soft drinks firm Macintosh.

May 1968”.

To which I will add that L.P. Hartley quote  “The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there,” from his 1953 novel “The Go-Between.”

And as John’s picture shows we did transport, and lorries very differently.

As we did cinemas, and here is the postscript, just a few hours after the original story was published.  Both John and I spent a bit of the morning pondering on that cinema.

I thought it was an ABC but john correctly identified it from an old map as the Granada, which led me to that wonderful site for cinema history which is cinema Treasures, and the entry for the Granada Greenwich at 234 Trafalgar Road.

"It was was opened by film star Gracie Fields on 30th September 1937 with Sabu in 'Elephant Boy' and Brian Donlevy in “Midnight Taxi”. Designed by noted American theatre architect C. Howard Crane, with interior decoration by Theodore Komisarjevsky. 

It had 1,924 seats in stalls and balcony and a rather plain auditorium, quite unlike the style of the opulent Woolwich / Tooting / Clapham Junction Granada Theatre’s. 

It was equipped with a Wurlitzer 3Manual/8Ranks organ which was opened by organist Donald Thorne. The Granada Theatre also had a fully equipped stage".

That said according to the 1947 Kinematic Yearbook it had by that year increased its number of seats to 2,772 seats.

But if you want more you will have to go to the site and find out for yourself, because I make it a policy of not lifting other people's research.

The added bonus is a picture of the cinema, pretty much as I remember it.

Location; Greenwich

Picture; Trafalgar Road, 1968, from the collection of John King

*cinema Treasures http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/3781

Sunday, 6 July 2025

Planning an adventure across Peckham in the summer of 1960

Now I say Peckham, but the chances are that in the summer of 1960 it could have been anywhere, from Nunhead and on to Dulwich, or via Deptford to Greenwich Park and the River.*

Entrance to the Royal Observatory, 2017

Of course adventures back then were not planned, but pretty much spur of the moment, and relied as much on Jimmy and John Cox’s vague memories of how to get to these places as anything.

Steps down to the River

It being midweek and pocket money spent, a Red Rover was off the cards and like so many adventures it was done by foot, leaving in the morning and getting back in the afternoon in time for tea.

For those born in the first half of the last century such adventures will be as recognizable as Tin Tin, Robin Hood, and I Love Lucy from the telly, and Two Way Family Favourites on the wireless.

If we were lucky our pooled finances might run to a bottle of lemonade and the price of a bag of chips, all supposing we could find a chippy. 

And on the rare occasion we came across a chip shop and a bakery together, there was the meal beyond meals, consisting of a hollowed out bread roll filled with chips, and washed down with warm lemonade.

The promise of an adventure in the park

So, adventures were limited on how far we could walk till we got lost, and whether we were successful in finding the goal of the trip.

But always qualified by that simple rule that once beyond the few streets around Lausanne Road, we were in alien territory where any local gang of lads could take offence at our presence.

This never actually happened, but it was an expectation which was a lesson in always be vigilant.

That said most adventures passed off with out event, but more by accident than design.

Looking back the challenge to walk along the parapet above a disused railway line even then seemed fraught with danger, and the subsequent walk along that railway bed ended when boredom set in.

Not that it stopped us doing it again and again.  It was a walk  where we met no one, found the odd discarded treasure, and were accompanied by the occasional bird, and the lazy buzz of bees and the sight of butterflies.

The Thames, 2017

The only real disaster occurred down by the Thames at Greenwich.  

The tide was out and we had a choice of turning left or right at the bottom of the stone steps hard by the entrance to the foot tunnel.

Right would have taken us by degree to the sandy bit in front of the Naval College.

Left, and we were amongst a collection of beached barges.  These seemed more interesting, but we were unprepared for the oozy, oily river mud in which we slowly sank.  

We weren’t in any real danger, and was rescued by a workman, but walking home to Peckham with shoes and ankles covered in the foul smelly mud was not pleasant, but nothing to the interrogation from mother, and to my eternal shame the speed with which I blamed Jimmy and John.

That long ago summer was interrupted by both of them going off on holiday and left to my own devices I fell on the summer school at Edmund Waller.

And as we all know that summer of 1960, the sun shone every day, and boredom was banished from our activities.

Looking out from the park

But then nostalgia for those long gone holidays can be deceptive, and lead you off into adventures where it was always hot, never rained and there was always an interesting destination.

It was one of the last carefree summers, the following was marked by the transition from junior to secondary school, which offered up new friends, and while Jimmy and John also went to Samuel Pepys, the adventures were over.

Location; out of Peckham 

Pictures; Greenwich, 2017, from the collection of Jillian Goldsmith

*And for those who wonder why all the pictures are of Greenwich in 2017, back in 1960 I didn't have a camera, and a full 57 years later our Jillian retraced many of the Greenwich adventures and took some fine pictures.


Friday, 16 February 2024

Looking back at Blackheath and Greenwich in the 1960s

 Yesterday I posted a story from Sandra Harper about her dad who like me was born and grew up in southeast London.*

She also included a wonderful collection of photographs taken by her dad during the 1960s.

They will be familiar to many, more so because if you are of a certain age, you will recognise that they are old style made with smelly photography.

That now almost vanished process where the image had first to be converted into a negative, then printed on photographic paper.  

All a mile away from digital camera and mobile phones.

As a regular reader of the blog she got in touch commenting, “When your posts come up on my feed, it does bring back some good memories of where I grew up.

Sunday mornings at Greenwich Baths with one of my dad’s brothers and his wife. 

Blackheath Fair, donkey rides, boating lake and much more.

This is my dad standing in the back garden of no. 75 Maidstone Hill Greenwich SE10 where his sister Doreen lived until she died aged 82. 

She was the matriarch of our whole family where we would congregate. Dad and uncles to The Groom pub. 

Us 4 children and some cousins and mums enjoying family time. Those were the days".


He was Denis Lesley Roland Scales and He lived at 75 Maidstone Hill Greenwich but was born next door to the left I think that was 73”.

Like Sandra these images bring back so many memories of Peckham and New Cross where I spent m early years before we moved to Well Hall.

Here are the places like Greenwich Park where went as kids, the now very ancient looking cars, vans, and lorries.

And even down to those low walls outside the houses.  

Back then I took them for granted along with the rusty metal lumps sticking up at regular intervals, and only years later realized that they once had railings, taken up as war salvage sometime in the early 1940s.

So that is it, leaving all of you to conjure up your own memories from the pictures taken by Mr. Scales.

But I couldn’t close with out including a photograph of Sandra’s dad who sixty years ago recorded our bit of London.







Location, Blackheath and Greenwich

Pictures, of Blackheath and Greenwich, circa 1960s by Denis Lesley Roland Scales and courtesy of Sandra Harper

*Walking Greenwich and Blackheath in the 1960s ....... Sandra's story, 

https://chorltonhistory.blogspot.com/2024/02/walking-greenwich-and-blackheath-in.html


Thursday, 15 February 2024

Walking Greenwich and Blackheath in the 1960s ....... Sandra's story

 I am a great fan of other peoples photographs.

And more so when they are of Greenwich and Blackheath in the 1960s. 

These are the places I knew when l was growing up in Eltham, with some going back even further  to when l lived  in Peckham.

Back then  the park, the heath and Queen Ann's House were the end of adventures which started on Queens Road and  by degree took me Jimmy O' Donnell and John Cox through New Cross, Deptford and finally to the River.

Aged ten we walked it there and back making heaps of discoveries. 

All of which came flooding back when Sandra shared these wonderful pictures taken by her dad. She told me "I just wondered whether you might like to see these old photos taken by my dad in the 1960s. 

They are of Blackheath Greenwich Park and Maidstone Hill Corner Shop SE 10, the road where my dad was born. 

The flats opposite. Bus going alongside Greenwich Park and the Heath. 


My dads name was Denis Lesley Roland Scales. 

He lived at 75 Maidstone Hill Greenwich SE10.

But he was born next door to the left I think that was 73, I don't know why but his Uncle Tom lived there.

There were 11 children in my dads family all living un that 2 bed house with their parents and a lodger too. 

I have photos of family standing at the door of 75 in the 60s. 

I can tell you more if you wish. 

No. 75 could be seen in an advert for Gas some years back. 

The Corner shop was where myself and all my cousins went to and then of course up to the Point to play. I will look out the photos later. 

I belong to two groups where I've shown these photos before some time ago.

Bermondsey & Rotherhithe and also Growing up in Bermondsey & Rotherhithe in the 50s 60 70s. 

Thanks for wanting to put my dads name to the photos. 

It's 50 years this year that we lost him and he would have been 100 this April".


And that is it, I don't really think I need to add any more, other than to thank Sandra for sharing these images of a London I knew and which has brought back lots of warm memories.

Leaving me to say there will be a part two tomorrow.

Location, Blackheath, Greenwich and Woolwich

Pictures; of my bit of southeast London, circa 1960s, taken by Denis Lesley Roland Scales, courtesy of Sandra Harper