Showing posts with label Gate posts. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Gate posts. Show all posts

Sunday, 21 February 2016

Gateposts I wish I had known .......... back in Whalley Range with one I like

Now I like this gatepost.

There are quite a few of them still left in Whalley Range, and back in 1911 I rather think Mr John Hurbert Cook would have been quite pleased with this one which he would have passed each day going in and coming out of his house.

I have to say I rather like it too.

And that is all I have to say, well until Andy Robertson wanders back in to Whalley Range to record more of these impressive street objects.

Location; Whalley Range, Manchester








Pictures; Whalley Road, 2016, from the collection of Andy Robertson

Tuesday, 16 February 2016

Less a gate post more a mystery ......... Afton Manor in Whalley Range

Now I thought it would be fairly easy to track the history of Afton Manor back to when it was built.

Afton Manor, 2016
But not so, because while the building is there shown as two very impressive Victorian semis there is no record of an Afton House.

Instead in 1911 these two were Woodlands, home to Mr Lawson at number 1 Woodlands and Mr & Mrs Dietlin at nu 2.

And that is just the first twist in the story.  For while the Dietlin’s are in residence in the April of 1911 Mr Lawson is not and his fine 13 roomed house is occupied by just a housekeeper and general servant.

Woodlands south of St Margaret's, 1894
That said it is his signature that appears on the census return leaving us only with the information that Mrs Jessie Weightman the house keeper was a widow, aged sixty four and had been married for thirty seven years.  She had had ten children of which only four were still living.

All of which is slim pickings but more than I know about her colleague who was Nellie Henshall aged 39 from Burslem in Staffordshire.

By contrast the census information for the Dietlin’s is most detailed.  He was 74 years old gave his occupation as a merchant engaged in the export of textile machinery and had been born in Alsace.  His wife, Celestine was two years younger and was from Luxemburg while their daughter Clotilde had been born in Bacelona.

Mr and Mrs Dietlin had been married for 40 years and two of their four children were dead.

Added to which I know that they employed a nurse two servants and a cook.

The youngest of these was Winnifred Ryle who was 20 and from Bradford.  The oldest was Miss Jane Nelson who had been born in 1869 and came from Preston.  The cook was a Mary Farrell from Dublin and the last was Kate Bearsley who was described a s a waitress.

Afton Manor, 2016
None of which helps with the change of house name or where Mr Lawson was when the census enumerator came knocking in April of 1911.

He was a solicitor and a partner in the firm of Lawson, Coppock and Hart.

So in time if I am minded it should be possible to track him down and along the way find out a little more about Mr Dietlin who was in residence at Woodlands in 1903 and the age of these two fine houses.

They were there by 1894 and a trawl of the rate books should takes us a bit further back.

As for that name change that looks relatively new and I bet there will be someone who can help.

I know the property was listed as a care home and is now flats.

And only hours after the story was posted Dave Hulson provided this picture of Woodlands in the 1960s.

Woodlands in the 1960s
It was taken by his dad when “my mother was a house keeper , and my father maintained the building, when it was owned by the Wilkinson family, then it was sold to a Mr Shakrob who turned it into a residential care home.

Then a Scottish chap carried on with the care Mr Shakrob started, he turned the stables into a terminal care unit.

The Scottish chap I think his name was Watson, but when he sold it , then it became a battle for local people plus my self and the local vicar to save it , in the war years it was taken over by the army."

And Dave tells me that “if that stone was turned around ,you would see the name engraved into the stone saying Woodlands.”

Which just leaves me to thank Dave and reflect that there is always someone who can up with the bits I don’t know

Location; Whalley Range, Manchester

Picture; Whalley Road, Whalley Range, 2016, from the collection of Andy Robertson, Woodlands in the 1960s,courtesy of Dave Hulson and Woodlands in 1894 from the OS for South Lancashire, 1894, courtesy of Digital Archives Association, http://www.digitalarchives.co.uk/

Monday, 15 February 2016

Looking for the story behind the that gate post on Withington Road

Once a long time ago on a day not unlike today the inhabitants of Alton Towers would pass these gateposts ready for what ever an evening at home might bring.

Now Alton Towers has long gone although exactly when I am not sure.

That said there will be someone who does and I hope they will get in touch.

I know it was there by 1881 and over the next few weeks will crawl over the rate books looking to push that date back.

I also know that in 1911 it was home to Mrs Annie Sykes who was a widow living with  her two children and a servant in what was an eight roomed semi.

A decade earlier she had been here with her brother Sidney and there the story gets complicated.

I can trace him back as far as 1881 living in Alton Towers with his adopted father a Mr Bellinger.

Go back another ten years and the young Sidney aged 16 was living with his parents in Chorlton on  Medlock.

Nor is that quite all because Alice was living close by in Chorlton-cum-Hardy at what was then called Church Road and is now Chequers.

But to add to my confusion she was single living at home and called Sykes.

All very confusing and no doubt along the way I may have mixed my Sykes up a bit.

Well we shall see, such mistakes are common enough as all family historians will vouch.

For now I will just thank Iain Crowe who posted the picture under an earlier story yesterday and gave his permission to use it today.

Location; Whalley Range, Manchester

Picture; Alton Towers, Withington Road, 2015, courtesy of Iain Crowe

Sunday, 14 February 2016

Gateposts I wish I had known .......... down on Whalley Road

Gate post Edendale, 2016
Now I may just have stumbled on a new series which will take the theme of street furniture  in to a totally different place.

Of course the purists may well object that gate posts are not technically street furniture and they are probably correct.

But no matter, I have become fascinated by gate posts and especially those big stone ones which carried the name of the house and date back into the 19th century.

Some are all that is left of a grand old pile which once stood solid and resolute marking its owners off as people of substance.

So pretentious were these occupants that they never admitted to having a street number and rather insisted they be listed in the directories by the name of the house.

Edendale & West holme, 2016
And that is why if you go looking for number 10 Whalley Road in the 1911 street directory you will have to count down past Wester bank, Ravenslea, Wigwell, Lythorpe and West holme before arriving at Edendale, home of Miss Annie Beattie and her fee paying guests.

I rather think her three boarders might well have also liked the idea of living in Edendale rather than number 10.  All three were professional chaps in their middle years.  One had been born in Greece another in Turkey and a third in St Helens.

Now Miss Beatie didn’t employ a servant but was helped by her aunt who described herself as “assisting in the business.”  Of course there may well have been someone who came in to help clean and cook, after Edenale was a ten roomed house.

The site of Elmbank, 2016
Sadly its gate posts look as if they could do with a bit of tender care, but at least they still stand in front of the house.

Not so next door for while there is still a gate post number 12 or Elmbank has gone, replaced by a new block.

The curious in me wonders what Mr Rear who lived there in 1911 would have made of the demolition of his home.

Elmbank, 2016
He was in the business of making boxes for mineral water and had a factory on Queens Road in Bradford Manchester.

In time I think I will go looking for the site of his factory and perhaps when he made the move from Denmark Road to Whalley Range.

I am sure that there will be someone who remembers the old house and may even offer up a picture.

In the meantime here is all that I think there is of Mr Rear's property.

It is the gate post.

And that is all I want to say other than to  thank Andy Robertson who walked through Whalley Range earlier last week recording all he saw.

Location; Whalley Range, Manchester

Pictures; Whalley Road, 2016, from the collection of Andy Robertson