Showing posts with label Eltham in the 1940s. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Eltham in the 1940s. Show all posts

Wednesday, 27 August 2025

Travelling on LCC tram number 1622 with memories of the Old Kent Road and Well Hall

Now I missed travelling on a tram by just a matter of years, but had I been born a little earlier I might well have been on this one that rattled its way up from the Old Kent Road to Westminster.

And just possibly also taken the 44 and 46 which connected Eltham with Woolwich.

According to family legend I was actually there at New Cross when the last London tram took its last journey in the summer of 1952 but until yesterday I never thought I would come close to one.

Now I know I could visit the London Transport Museum where there is a fine 1910 tram from West Ham Tramways Corporation, but my number 40 which was the one my dad would have used is even closer to home.

It is in the collection of CRICH TRAMWAY VILLAGE just south of Matlock which is no distance for me but I accept is a long way from south east London.

But your loss is our gain and I have planned my visit.

In the meantime I have settled for a picture of LCC number 1622 which plied route 40 from New Cross.

It comes from my old friend Andy Robertson who has been recording the changes to the twin cities of Manchester and Salford and decided to take an afternoon off and visit the museum.

And there is plenty else to see from a Blackpool tram complete with its destination board announcing a Tour of the Illuminations to the Red Lion Hotel which was once in Stoke on Trent and facing demolition was rescued by the museum rebuilt and happily once again serves up a pint.

In his collection of pictures from the day is the sign on a Leeds tram informing passengers that “Spitting is Forbidden” which made sense in an age before antibiotics and the dangers from a range of infectious diseases was all too common.

It is I think Andy's favourite  while for me it will always be the number 40

Which just leaves me to mention Trams in Eltham by John Kennett** and The Campaign To Save The London Trams by Ann Watkins which includes a chapter on that last tram at New Cross.

Picture; trams at the Crich Tramway Village, 2015, from the collection of Andy Robertson, 

* Crich Tramway Village, http://www.tramway.co.uk/

** Trams in Eltham  by John Kennett, Eltham Society, http://www.theelthamsociety.org.uk/publications.php

*** The Campaign To Save The London Trams by Ann Watkins, http://www.kentarchaeology.ac/authors/019.pdf

Tuesday, 26 August 2025

Lost scenes of Well Hall

Now this will be the last for a while of pictures of Eltham trams taken from that wonderful book on Eltham and Woolwich Tramways.*

But that said given that there are equally fascinating pictures of Woolwich, Charlton and Lee Green I reckon I will be back.

And one of the reasons is that each of the pictures reveals a lot about how we lived back nearly three quarters of a century ago.

So here is one that will be familiar to many.
We are on the platform of the old Well Hall Station looking down on the parade of shops and taking in the that climb up to the Woods.

It’s a scene I remember very well.

Of course by the time I was making that journey up from the station to 294 Well Hall the trams had long gone but I think the bakery was still there and the scene is not so different today.

That said the last time I looked 24 HOUR MINICABS were now operating from the shop but you can still make out on the side of the building the ghost sign for “Fyson’s Bakery Makers of Daren Bread” which has fared better than the chemist which once occupied the site.**

Or for that matter Daren bread which was a brown loaf popular in the 1930s and 40s which may also have been sold in the old Co-op which is just visible behind the tram.

I missed that Co-op building by a matter of months.  It had opened in 1906 and was demolished in 1964 just as we arrived.

It may still have been there but if so I don’t remember it or its successor being built,

And that is the value of the picture for despite the bits that seem familiar it is a scene which has vanished.

The tram went in the early 50s, the co-op in the 1960s and sadly for me at least the old station two decades later.

Pictures; looking down from Well Hall Station, date unknown, from the collection of E. Course and reproduced from Eltham & Woolwich Tramways, 1996

*Eltham and Woolwich Tramways, Robert J Harley, Middleton Press, 1996, https://www.middletonpress.co.uk

**Ghost signs in Well Hall, http://chorltonhistory.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/ghost-signs-in-well-hall.html

Thursday, 21 August 2025

The story behind the story of an Eltham postcard

Now as everyone knows there can always be more than one story behind a picture postcard.

The first is the image on the front which in an instant tells you so much about a place in the past.

And then there is the name, address and message on the back which can be equally revealing.

The skill of the historian is to marry the two sides and tell a story, but just sometimes that story cannot be told and that is what happened to my friend Tricia who found this postcard on eBay back in September.

She told me that having found it “I did a little research on the information on the back and managed to trace the family history of the person it was sent to.”

The research led to a connection with the garage beside the church and a family who had lived in Eltham.

Tricia managed to trace the family, met up with one of them and handed over the postcard.

It would have made a compelling story but given that one of the familiy did not want the details made public Tricia quite rightly chose not to publish it.

But there is always a story in a story and for me the story is less aboutt the family and more about how one postcard in the hands of a skilled researcher can reveal much that might otherwise have been ignored or lost.

It involved Tricia's leap of imagination to use the name and search through social networking sites and then the diligence to match these against people and those listed and  then try and make contact.

And I like the final touch of Tricia's in  choosing to reunite the card with the family a full seventy seventy years after it was sent.

Location; Eltham

Picture; Eltham Church circa 1940s from the collection of Tricia Leslie

Tuesday, 20 May 2025

Walking Woolwich and Eltham in 1948 .... no 1

Now I am back with my copy of the Official Guide to Woolwich which was published by the council.


It includes Eltham and Plumstead, and was the “Fifth Edition”.

I have no idea when it was issued but looking at the images and some of the listings we must be sometime between 1948 and the early years of the next decade.


And over the next two days I shall concentrate on some of the images from the book and leave it at that.


The observant will clock that many of the pictures are attributed to Wells of Woolwich, while in the second post the motorbikes in the picture were for “Export”, which in the cash strapped immediate post war years was a vital way of earning money.

So that is it, and I shall continue till I run out of pictures.



Location; The Metropolitan Borough of Woolwich, circa 1948

Pictures; Well Hall,  from The Metropolitan Borough of Woolwich, circa 1948, and the Woolwich coat of Arms, courtesy of  Gary Luttmanm2021

Thursday, 10 September 2020

After the Raid .............. preparing for the Blitz

I suppose for most people the sound of an air raid siren is one of those historic curiosities which feature as a backdrop to fictional accounts of the last war or accompany a TV documentary on the Blitz.

Now I was born four years after the war and will never have heard the warning alert or the all clear played in earnest.

But I remember watching my mother react to hearing them and in an instant she was back on some night waiting for the bombs to fall.

And just briefly a little of that fear caught me one summer’s day when at the height of the second Cold War in the 1980s the local police station tested their siren.
Of course all of that is now long gone, but occasionally you come across vivid reminders of that period.

There are still a few painted signs for EWS on walls which indicated the site of Emergency Water Supplies, and the odd gas mask appears at a jumble sale.*

But I doubt that many of the millions of leaflets issued by the Ministry of Home Security in the December of 1940 will have survived.

After all once the war was over few people I think would wanted to hang on to such a document and yet it is a fascinating piece of history.

AFTER THE RAID began “WHEN YOU HAVE been in the front line and taken it extra hard the country wants to look after you.

For you have suffered in the national interests as well as in your own interest in the fight against Hitler.  If your home is damaged there is a great deal of help ready for you.”

Just how useful the leaflet would have been to those bombed out here I have no idea but it remains a tiny insight into what our parents and grandparents coped with.

Which just leaves me to thank David Harrop who lent me the leaflet from his collection which until recently was on display at his permanent exhibition of war time memorabilia at the Remembrance Lodge in Southern Cemetery.*





Pictures; After the Raid, December 1940, Ministry of Home Security, from the collection of David Harrop,  the corner of Mauldeth Road and Nell Lane today courtesy of Brian Lee Whitworth and bomb damage at Nell Lane, 1940, courtesy of Manchester Libraries, Information and Archives, Manchester City Council, m09736, http://images.manchester.gov.uk/index.php?session=pass

*Beware such gas masks, many used asbestos in the filter and these may now prove a health hazard.

**David Harrop, http://chorltonhistory.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/David%20Harrop

Thursday, 2 March 2017

Growing up in Eltham in the 1950s ......... stories by Eddy Newport no 11 ..... .Neighbours and friends, and holidays at the Kent coast.

Another in the series by Eddy Newport taken from his book, History of a War Baby.

Living on the other side of the path that separated the bungalows was Mrs May Brooks and her son Bill.

She was very often popping in to see mum for a chat. Her husband had left her for another woman, and she was very bitter about the way she was treated.

She was obviously lonely and needed to talk to somebody about her life. Mum was a great listener and did not have the heart to send her away. She would come over at some inconvenient time and it seemed to me that she was always there.

To me, she was a serial moaner and went on and on. As she came into the house I went out. To be fair, she was good hearted and Mum liked her. Her only redeeming feature to me was her son Bill. Bill was about 23 and he played the piano in a musical act with a guitar player.

They did gigs and shows all over London and the South East as semi-professional musicians. I never went to see them play as a group. They sang and played in close harmony and were, by most, considered to be a class act.  I am not sure but their stage name was “The Bell Tones.”  (I Think).

At Christmas time, mum and dad would invite May over in the evening to join us, and if Bill was around he would come too.  Now dad’s playing on our piano was not very inspiring but when Bill sat down to play I was overwhelmed by the power and excitement of his playing on our upright. I was so amazed that our piano could produce the sound he got from it.

The music bug hit me hard and set the spark that would lead me into the wonderful world of musicians later on in my life.  Bill went and worked at the Telecom factory with dad and ended up a manager.

The other side next to us was the Stark family and they had a daughter Olive and a younger son Peter. Olive was the same age as David and so he became a playmate of hers. Olive’s dad had his own business.

He was in the clothing trade and they were a lot better off than us; he had a motor car and a caravan at Seasalter in Kent.

They became good friends of mum and dad and in the summer they would let us have the use of the caravan for a week to have a holiday.  We had many holidays at Seasalter and Mr Stark would take us down and bring us back in his car, I think it was a Riley to me a very exciting trip.

We would go down into Kent on the A2. On reaching Rochester and going across the Rochester Bridge, we had pointed out the castle, the cathedral and the flying boats moored in the river at the Shorts aircraft factory.

Once we got to Seasalter we settle in and start having fun. Mum and Dad were very fond of cockles and Seasalter was famed for them. Dad, David and I would go out with a bucket and as the tide went out we would gather them up and bring them back to be cooked in a big pot.

With a drop of vinegar and pepper, Mum and Dad would tuck into a feast. The evenings were spent walking around with mum and dad stopping by at the local pub “The Blue Anchor” for a drink, David and I would sit outside with our lemonade and packets of Smiths crisps.

Then it was back to the caravan and to bed. Those days were to me, wonderful, hot summers and a sense of freedom to do just what you liked.

A day at the seaside 1947

The photo shows the Newport's on holiday at Pegwell Bay, with me aged 15 growing up with a crew -cut haircut and thinking that I knew it all.

Mother with the box brownie camera.

© Eddy Newport 2017

Picture; from the collection of Eddy Newport

Monday, 27 February 2017

Growing up in Eltham in the 1950s ....stories by Eddy Newport ......no 8 a bike, a paper round and King Alfred's cakes

Another in the series by Eddy Newport taken from his book, History of a War Baby.

My paper round was going strong and I wanted a new bike, the fashion then was light weight frames narrow wheels and drop handlebars. Dad took me to a cycle shop in Woolwich and I chose a BSA Armstrong sports model colour red and black with Stymie Archer gears.

If cost about £25 and dad put a £1 down and signed the hire purchase forms and said I had to pay the monthly payments. I had by then changed my paper round employee to a man who ran a business from his garage in Ross Way,

I was on a wage of 9 shillings and sixpence a week (£0.755 pence). My new bike was to cost me six shillings (£0.30 pence) a week so I was still in profit.

The bike took me two years to be pay off with interest. Every week I would go into the shop and pay it. That bike was to take me all over the place and play an important part of my life.

Experiences at Ealdham Square:-
Also, my artistic appreciation started to be stimulated as we were subjected to various musical enlightenments from our music teacher Miss Skelton.

She was very fond of choirs and classical music, and would have the class sit down on the floor in the assembly hall and play to us 78 RPM records.

She also had a habit of keeping a handkerchief in her knickers and her hand would creep under her dress and pull out the hanky to blow her nose.

This habit to us children was fascinating and a snigger went round the class when she did this. She was very fond of the Welsh male voice choir singing “The Lamb of God” We had to learn it to sing at the Christmas parents evening. One year our class had to put on a performance to entertainer the parents.

Our form teacher Mr Evens decided to get our class to act out “King Alfred the Great” and the burnt cakes saga.

The bulk of the class were to be the chorus and various pupils were selected to play the main roles. It was based on a famous poem which told the story of Alfred losing his kingdom to the evil Danes and in retreat, he forgo his kingly robes and put on peasant's clothes and went off on his own whereby he met a peasant family.

The woman of the household instructed Alfred to look after the fire where some cakes were cooking. Unfortunately, he fell asleep and the cakes were burnt.

He incurred the wrath of the woman and she chased him out of here home. I did not understand the significances of all this and what it had to do with Alfred suddenly decided to make up with the evil Danes, but that’s how the play came to an end and we all took our bows. I was a member of the chorus until I was thrust to stardom when Richard Atkins (the lead player) went sick and could not perform it for the parents evening.

Mr Evens asked if any of the class knew the lead part I put up my hand and was to take over the role with only one rehearsal to do the main performance. So I was King Alfred and did (I thought) a flawless performance.

Stage fright and overcoming the nerves were all there. But when the applause died down and we took our bows the feeling of excitement and exhilaration was wonderful.

I was stage-struck. It was to be forty years before I was to perform on a stage again. Richard came back to perform the play in front of the school children and to my delight, he forgot his lines and had to rely on Mr Evens prompting him.

© Eddy Newport 2017



Picture; from the collection of Eddy Newport

Sunday, 4 September 2016

Tracing the bombs that fell on Eltham .............. the online bomb maps

Now I am following up on the story I posted yesterday featuring eight short films about London, and Manchester during the Blitz with a link to a fascinating interactive map from the National Archives.*

London Can Take It is a collection of documentary films made by the GPO, the Ministry of Information and the Co-op recording the experiences of people during the Blitz.

And after reading the post my friend Debbie introduced me to BOMB SIGHT ..... Exploring the London Blitz during October 7 to June 6 1941.*

Now I have only looked at Eltham and Peckham but it covers all of London and allows you to see where the bombs fell, switch from a modern map and satellite picture to the original maps of 1940 and much more.

I started with Peckham where I spent the early years of my life and the map confirmed some of what I knew about the damage to our road but also threw up new mysteries which in time I will try to solve.

And in the same way the map of Well Hall offered a bomb on the corner of Rochester Way and Well Hall Road but not the site of the church along with a spread of hits near the station.

I reckon it will be fascinating for anyone wanting to know more about their bit of Eltham and of course the rest of London.  Not that it ends there other cities will have their bomb maps, including those for  Manchester.***

Pictures; barrage balloon on the Rec from the collection of Alan Brown

* Living through the Blitz ........... Manchester and London and eight short films, http://chorltonhistory.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/living-through-blitz-manchester-and.html

**BOMB SIGHTS, http://bombsight.org/#16/51.4708/-0.0539

***Manchester bomb maps, http://enriqueta.man.ac.uk/luna/servlet/view/all/who/Manchester%20City%20Council%20City%20Architect's%20Department%20(Building%20Surveyor's%20Division)?sort=Reference_Number,Page,Current_Repository

Wednesday, 20 January 2016

Remembering Eltham

Now what I like about the blog is the way people share with me their memories.

So here are a few of the memories of George Treadway who was born in 1936 and grew up in Eltham.

As a ten year old in 1946 just after the war living in Vandyke Cross Eltham.

Things were quite hard our playgrounds were bomb sites,couple of local parks, St Barnabas Church by Well Hall roundabout was in ruins. (Could see it aflame from our house that night)

A small church on Woolwich Common in ruins, a crashed plane alongside it.
Eventually we had a greengrocer called Ben coming around the estate with his horse & cart selling what veg & any little fruit he could get because rationing was on.

I managed to get a Saturday job with him getting to take tenants orders to them sometimes getting a halfpenny tip.

We used to be out nearly all day going to local roads i.e. Vandyke, Keynsham Road and Gardens, Foisart Rd, Haimo Roadd and many more.

I think Ben used to give me a "Tanner" for the work and on the odd occasion if he had a banana for my ill dad.

But it was good fun most of the time.

Location; Well Hall, Eltham, London

Picture; from the collection of Jean Low

Wednesday, 26 August 2015

Memories of Eltham in the 1930s and 40s ............. from Daniel Murphy

Sitting on the shelter
It is always a privilege to have contributions from people and so here are some of the memories of Daniel Murphy from the Eltham of the 1930s and 40s.

When in 1937 this photograph was taken, I was 2 years old, my mother had been shopping on Eltham High Street and we were on our way home when a street photographer took our picture.   I remember the incident, mum giving him our address and paying him some money for the photo, which we received later in the post.

In the summer of 1937 we moved from Merrifield road to Rossway on the Progress Estate,  my mother, my father,  two brothers, my grandmother and my aunt Lil (my mother`s oldest sister),  we all lived together.  

By the end of 1937 my grandmother was dead.   She died in September,  aged 72 years.

Two days before she died we were gathered in her bedroom where she was acting strangely; propped up in her bed and pointing out of the window.  “Look, look” she was saying “look at all the fires in the sky, look at all the fighting up there, it`s terrible”.  She repeated this again and again until we agreed we could all see it, but of course we couldn't.

In the High Street
Three years later, in 1940, we could.   The Woolwich and Silvertown docks were on fire.    The sky was black with smoke, and bombers and fighter planes filled to sky and we spent many of our days, and nights in the air-raid shelter.

But firstly sometime around the end of August 1939, we were evacuated.    We were put on a train at Well Hall station and taken off again at Dartford,   which surprised all of us, my mother in particular, since she was expecting to be taken into the country far away from London.   Well, we were,   sort of, we were put on a coach and driven to Ash in Kent;    a mile or two from Brands  Hatch.

Once there, we were ushered into the village hall and directed to sit on chairs arranged around the sides of the room.   Then the locals came in and selected their refugee(s).     We were chosen, my mother, my brother Terry, me and another lady and her son,    by a man and his daughter, Joan.

He was the village butcher and so we were all billeted in his house, which had the butchers shop at the front, and a slaughter house with a hay loft and a stable at the back.   The stable housed a beautiful chestnut horse belonging to Joan.   For me it was just like going on holiday;   I loved it.  


On the third of September I was out walking with mother when a man came down the road calling out that we were at war with Germany.  

Ash Village
I immediately began crying because I thought that now I would have to put my gas mask on and keep it on `till the war finished, but I was only four years old.   Anyway, about a hundred yards away was the White Swan Inn and people from the village were rushing to get in there, so we joined them.  

Reason for the rush became clear when we learned that they had a RADIO!  

We all crammed into their back room and listened to Chamberlain`s declaration of war:   I got a glass of orange juice to keep me quiet.

A week or two after this, my mother decided we should all go home.

At home we found that an Anderson shelter had been delivered; in several pieces.   I decided it would be great to play on, so I got out my cars.  It was a hot sunny day so my mother brought me out a hat, and a comic.  

Later she sneaked a photo of me.    A few days later, some men came to erect it down the garden.     Little did I know then that we would be sleeping in there night after night during the blitz.

© Daniel Murphy

Pictures; from the collection of Daniel Murphy



Wednesday, 1 April 2015

Living through the Blitz ........... Manchester and London and eight short films

I cannot really imagine living through the Blitz, those nightly ordeals of making preparations to spend a night in the shelters, waiting for the wail of the siren and then that night of broken sleep listening to the whistle and crump of bombs mixed with the fear of a direct hit.

So London Can take It which is a collection of short films made during the last world war are a vivid record of what was once a nightly experience for people across the country.

And despite the title and the emphasis on London there is a brilliant short from the Co-op on the Manchester Blitz.

All of the eight were of course made as propaganda and the thing about propaganda films from the last world war is that you can take them in many different ways.

On the surface they present an insight into how we got on with the war which despite the fact that they are propaganda show real people in real situations.

But looking at them from a distance of three quarters of a century they show how the British Government wanted the war and its prosecution to be seen by both the home population and countries around the world.

And layered on top of that were how the film makers play writers and documentary makers saw their role and went about their work in telling the story of Britain at war.

Sometimes their perception of what should be made and showed ran counter to that of the Governments of which the best example is the film The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp by Powell and Pressburger which Churchill didn’t like and wanted suppressed but which was a strong film about British values.

I still enjoy watching it and count it alongside a handful of others which in their different ways portrayed a nation at war.

All of them focused on that powerful idea that this was the Peoples’ War.  Now I am not naive enough to think that everyone thought so, there were still much snobbery, a degree of corruption and a practical cynicism of some of what we told.

But that said remembering conversations with my mother and others there was a degree of purpose and ideal which these short films convey.

So I reckon they are well watching.  The collection which starts with London Can take it and finishes with that Co-op film on Manchester are available on a DVD from the Imperial war Museum.

Pictures; cover and rear of London Can Take It, IWM, Design by Simple Design

Thursday, 19 September 2013

Shooters Hill Local History Group – Prisoners of War and the Local Community tonight at 8... see below

Shooters Hill Golf Course – site of a WWII PoW Camp
Now I just love local history groups and as I have said before I happily hoover them up, read their blogs and try to get to some of their meetings.

So imagine my disappointment about not getting a plug in for Shooters Hill Local History Group's talk this evening, at Shrewsbury House starting at 8.00pm.

"There is a small charge to cover the cost of the room. It features a talk by local archaeologist Andy Brockman entitled ‘Enemies no Longer: POW Working Company 1020 and the community of Shooters Hill and Welling’.

Andy Brockman is a Conflict Archaeologist, whose previous Shooters Hill work includes the Digging Dad’s Army project and the Time Team Blitzkreig on Shooters Hill episode. He was also Lead Archaeologist on the recent Burma Spitfires Project and is project manager at the archaeology and environmental campaigning group Mortimer.

The Prisoner of War camp, according to David Lloyd Bathe’s “Steeped In History”, housed 400 German and Italian prisoners. It included barracks for the prisoners, a recreation room, kitchen, officers’ mess, infirmary and cobblers and tailors shop. 

The cookhouse was situated near the golf course’s 17th green. The prisoners’ activities included working in the warehouses at the North Woolwich docks and helping with the potato harvest at Woodlands Farm. Surprisingly they were allowed to move freely within a 5-mile radius of the camp during daylight hours.”

I was alerted by that excellent site e – Shooters Hill* which I have featured already.

Of course Chorlton-cum-Hardy is a long way from Shooters Hill so I shall content myself with waiting for the feed back

*http://eshootershill.co.uk/shlhg/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+e-shootershill+%28e-shootershill%29&utm_content=Yahoo%21+Mail