Bandstands ............... nu 2 back in Victoria Park in Swinton

Now I grew up with bandstands.

Almost any park worthy of the title public park had one.

But sadly by the time I was allowed to go off and play on my own all of the bandstands I can remember had become sorry looking things.

The ornate iron pillars had long gone, and no one came to listen to the bands who long ago had packed up their instruments and moved on.

So in celebration of all that was and has returned, here is the promised series on bandstands.

It started with a photograph from Antony and continues with a painting by Peter of the one in Victoria Park.*

It was built around 1897 when the park was laid out it embodies all that civic pride which said there was more to life than work, mean streets, and dark horizons.

According to one new book on public parks, the bandstand owed much to the 19th century’s fascination with the Orient.  The basic design may have been copied from “the raised –platform kiosks seen in Turkey and across the Ottoman empire” but was overlaid with influences from Indian palaces and temples.**

The French had shown one of these Turkish stands off at the International Exhibition in Paris in 1855 and what followed was a succession of developments over here with the first unveiled at the Royal Horticultural Show in South Kensington and later moved out to parks in Southwark and Peckham where I came across them as a young boy in the 1950s.

Location; Swinton

Painting; the bandstand in Victoria Park, Swinton, © 2016 Peter Topping
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*Antony Mills gave me permission to use his photograph earlier in the month

**A Walk in the Park, Travis Elborough 2016, pages 155-56

Painting Salford .................

Now sometime ago Peter began a series of paintings of Salford.

It began with a view of Salford Quays, and went on to some very fine paintings of Salford pubs.

And here is another dating from 2012.




Location; Salford

Painting; Painting Salford, © 2012 Peter Topping, Paintings from Pictures,

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The New Oxford in Salford .............. a pub with more names than me

Now here is a pub with a history and I rather think a shed load of stories.

The New Oxford, 2015

After all according to that excellent pub site the Pubs of Manchester “the New Oxford was originally the Town Hall Tavern beer house in the 1850s in what was then Bexley Street, it become the Court Tavern a few years later then the Amateurs Arms in 1871 when it contained a music hall.”*

Later it changed its name again to the Oxford Hotel when Wilsons Brewery acquired it and the four neighbouring shops and cottages.

There is more but for that you will just have to follow the link and read the rest of the story.

The Town Hall and the pub that became The New Oxford, 1844 

I can’t say I have been inside but Peter’s painting has certainly made me want to.

And as we get to the midpoint on the book on Manchester pubs it may well be time to go down there and sample the beer just of course in the interests of historical research and to see how better Salford pull a pint.





Location; Bexley Square Salford

Paintings; the New Oxford, Salford, © 2015, Peter Topping,
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Map; Bexley Square, 1844, from Manchester & Salford OS, 1844, courtesy of Digital Archive Association, http://digitalarchives.co.uk/

*The New Oxford, Manchester Pubs, http://pubs-of-manchester.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/New%20Oxford%20-%20Bexley%20Square

On passing one of the tallest buildings in Salford

Now I am pleased Peter painted Highland House which is on Victoria Bridge Street for a variety of reasons.

It is after all one of the tallest buildings in Salford, has one of those interesting histories which says much about our recent past and is the hotel that my sisters always stay at  when they come north from London to visit.

It was originally built for the Inland Revenue, finished in 1966 and sold on in 1994. According to one source, it used a revolutionary form of construction which  enabled the lower floors to be occupied as the upper ones were still being built.*

But not all went well and during construction after a particularly windy night some of the windows ended up in Salford Bus Station which may seem an urban myth but the source offers up a reference to the event.

But for me it will always be a place to meet our Jill, Theresa and Elizabeth and their partners.  The staff are always friendly and so I am looking forward to being down there in October when my sisters are back in the city.

They like it because it is pretty easy to get to from Piccadilly Railway Station, is equally close to the metro and offers up lots of opportunities to wander off into Salford and Manchester.

Peter tells me “inspired by Blackpool Tower I have started a tall structures in the UK theme and where better to test it out but Salford. This is one I did in 2013."

So that is about it.  But as they say this is only the start.

Location; Salford

Painting; Highland House, Premier Inn Salford. Painting © 2013  Peter Topping
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*North Tower(Salford), Wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Tower_(Salford)

Painting Salford .....no 6 revisiting the Cook Street Brewery

Now I am back with the Cook Street Brewery which has featured in the blog from time to time.*

So when Peter sent over his painting of the place it just had to be added to the  series Salford Breweries,** and given that it is another of his paintings of the city, it slid nicely into the project Painting Salford.

Location; Salford,





Painting; Cook Street Brewery, Painting © 2013 Peter Topping, Paintings from Pictures.
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*Lost Breweries of Salford nu 1 ............ what a lot

**Lost Salford Breweries

Ordsall Hall ................. returning to an old favourite

It’s with a bit of shame that I have to admit I haven’t been back to Ordsall Hall in decades.

Back a long time ago it was one of those places along with Clayton, Wythenshawe and Baguley Halls which were part of a day out.

But Peter’s painting has set me thinking it is time I went.

It is after all a fine building with a history which goes back to the 15th century on a site where there has been a house since at least 1251.

And since it was bought by Salford Corporation there will be many with fond memories of day visits to the place when it was a museum.

And perhaps a few stories from when it was a working man's club in the 1870s

Location; Salford

Painting; Ordsall Hall, Salford. Painting © 2012 Peter Topping, 
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Painting Salford ............ nu 4 a tall block to guide you

Now I know that there are some who deplore the way the old Salford has gone.

In some cases it was through neglect, the grand plans of the council or a developer’s  new scheme and sometimes because what went just wasn’t worth keeping.

This is Sovereign Point down at the Quays.

Location; Salford,

Painting; Sovereign Point. Painting © 2010 Peter Topping, Paintings from Pictures.
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Painting Salford ................. Nu 2

Perhaps it is the bright sunlight and the prospect of no more holidays till Christmas that have set Peter off on his Salford series.  

He has promisied me a shedload of paintings both and new and he has been as good as his word.

It began with a view of Salford Quays, and went on to some very fine paintings of Salford pubs.

And here is another dating from 2014.

I asked him if he had more planned to which he just said "give us a subject and I'll find you a painting."

It was a request that pleased two members of our local allotment society who after a cup of tea with Peter and a conversation about marrows were rewarded with a painting of their allotment shed.

So move over the Lowry, clean the windows at BBC North and just make sure that the water is clean  in the Quays in advance of his next set of paintings.

Location; Salford

Painting; a view of Salford Quays and Foot Bridge. Painting © 2014.
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Salford pubs ................. nu 1 ........ The King's Arms and a bit of a mystery

Now here is an old story with a  lesson in being overconfident and not looking for the simple answer.

This is the King’s Arms in Bloom Street, the sign on the side of the pub says 1883 and from another source I got the date 1879 for when it was built.

And I just wondered why in the middle of the reign of the old Queen our pub would be called the King’s Arms when you would expect it to be the Queen Victoria, especially given that the coat of arms at the top of the building is that of Queen Victoria.

Of course the solution was supplied by the pub’s own web site, “the original Kings Arms stood on a plot across Bloom Street from the present pub and was first licensed in 1807.

At this time Bloom Street was lined on both sides with houses, shops and beer houses.
In October 1850 The Kings Arms was advertised to let by the Adelphi Brewery.

The new tenant was Thomas Holden and when he was leaving in September 1858, the advertisement stated that the pub had been selling seven barrels of beer a week for seven and a half years.

The original premises pulled down to make way for the building of Salford Corporation's gas offices and the current building was constructed in the 1870s on the opposite side of the street.

For over a century the three main buildings on Bloom Street were the Corporation gas offices, Salford House and The Kings Arms. The gas offices closed long ago and the last residents of the hostel left in the 1990's but happily The Kings Arms is still in business.”

And there you have it and what’s more I suggest you check out that site because the King’s Arms has more to offer.

All of which just leaves me to confess that I had written about the pub back in 2014, but Peter’s fine painting made me decide it was time to revisit and remind him he owes me a pint which we could very well take in the King’s Arms.

Location; Salford

Painting; the Kings’s Arms, Salford, © 2016 Peter Topping, Paintings from Pictures,

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*The King’s Arms, http://www.kingsarmssalford.com/index.php?id=8

The Black Horse Salford ................... remembering better times

Now for anyone with fond memories of the Black Horse on the Crescent I think this is how they would want to remember it. 

The Black Horse in happier times

It was opened in 1875 and while I can’t be sure he was the first landlord Mr John Maycock was there pulling pints and offering advice in 1877 and was still there a full six years later.

And with a bit more digging I should be able to track him across the years and come up with the later publicans who ran the place.


It has fallen on hard times,  having closed around 2003 it has sat empty and forlorn ever since.

But it captured the attention of Peter Topping who set out to paint the pub in its last throws of glory.

Empty and forlorn

And not content with that he began some painstaking research looking at older images peeling back years of old paint and additions to the building.

One photograph from the 1970s clearly shows there was once an entrance on the left of the door which might have given access for the brewery’s waggons.

Another reveals that the sign above the door has had at least one major paint job which might have been the moment the pub changed its name to the Black Horse Hotel from the Black Horse Inn.

Now this I know because picked out in ceramics directly over the door is the title the Black Horse Inn, which no one bothered to hide when the painted sign was added.

When that happened is unclear.  The directories in the 1870s and 1880s just list the pub as at the Black Horse.

But I bet there will be someone who remembers and will offer up this bit of information.

Remembering it as it was

Others have already supplied me with pictures of the carved keystones above the ground floor which range from a horse head and a set of blacksmith tools to a satyr and Bacchus.

All of which must once have looked very impressive but as Andy Robertson’s picture from last year shows they and the rest of the place are in a sorry state.

So like many I will just go back to Peter’s painting and reflect on its past grandeur.

Picture; The Black Horse, 2014, from the collection of Andy Robertson, 

Painting; Back Horse, Salford © 2016 Peter Topping 

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Painting Salford ................. nu 3

Here is a painting which needs little in the way of words.

When Peter told me he was planning a series of paintings on Salford Quays I was quite excited and here is one he did earlier back in 2011.

I didn’t know the old docks area.

As a student in the late 1960s they were a bit off the beaten track and then as we progressed across east Manchester and on to Ashton-Under-Lyne Salford was  a long way from home.

But there is no denying the way the place has been transformed with the Lowry, the War Museum and Media City.

Painting; Painting Salford, © 2011 Peter Topping, Paintings from Pictures,
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On Chapel Street with a pub question ................ another Salford pub story

Now I don’t do pub quizzes.

The Rovers Return, 2014

I get stumped at even the easiest of challenges like “what connects Chapel Street in Salford, with an English Admiral and a long running and much loved soap?"

The answer of course is the Rovers Return on Chapel Street, once known as the Lord Nelson and now named after that famous pub in Coronation Street.

And that is my point.

Unless you know the pub, or have an intimate knowledge of  all the drinking places in Salford combined with a love of that said soap, it’s a question best left to others.

Chapel Street in 1849

But once started I was off to dig deeper into the story behind the pub that Peter painted back in 2014.

It was offering up pints under its name of the Lord Nelson as early as 1824 and in time I will discover when it first opened and track something of the lives of those who ran it.

By the 1860s this was Mr James Mitchell and he was competing with twenty-nine other pubs and beer shops stretching from the start of Chapel Street at Greengate to the Whitecross bank.*

For those who want to give that figure some perspective, there were 131 properties on the same side as The Lord Nelson of which fourteen were drinking establishments while facing our pub there were another fifteen out of 111 buildings.

A bit more of Chapel Street again, 1849

And for anyone with a keen interest in pub names, Chapel Street in 1863 offered the lot, from those which fell back on animals to  a few wanting to cash in on royalty and  the odd one with a link to the industries of Salford.

As for the Lord Nelson our naval hero gave way to the Rover’s Return it is said in deference to that pub on that famous street.

And someone out three will have the date for that, which I suspect would flummox the quiz organiser.

And just after I posted the story P J Thompson who regularly  contributes to the blog added that "1988 was the name change year for the Lord Nelson. It was a Wilsons house, I liked the mild back then."  Thanks P J.

Location; Salford

Painting; the Rovers Return, Salford © 2014 Peter Topping 

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Map; Chapel Street, 1949 from the OS Manchester & Salford, 1849, courtesy of Digital Archives Association, http://digitalarchives.co.uk/

Where we began on Chapel Street in 2014

*1. The Red Lion,37. a beer shop, 47. The Printer’s Arms, 59. The Black Lion, 73. The Punch Bowl, 83, The Lord Nelson, 89. The Barley Sheaf, 125. The Wheatsheaf, 139. The Old Queen Ann, 153, The Dyer’s Arms, 159, Albert Vaults, 177.The Brown Bull, 195. The Griffin, 221. a beer shop, 223. The Red Lion

**2. The Canterbury Hall, 14. The Spread Eagle, 22. The Old King’s Head, 32. The Dog and Partridge, 38.the Rose & Crown, 66 The Unicorn, 76. The Royal Archer, 78. A beer shop, 88. The Dog, 94. The Custom House, 100. The Queen’s Arms, 110. The Moulder’s Arms, 116 The Coach & Horses, 138. The New Market, 142, The Salford Arms

At the Quays .... brightening up an unpromising day

Now it is all down to timing.

Pick one of those warm sunny days and the Quays are a really pleasant place to be.

The water takes on a different colour and the sunlight works on all those buildings of glass and shimmering metal finishes.

But if you pick a day when the grey clouds seem almost to settle on that water and bring the promise of driving rain all that is left is a visit to the Lowry and perhaps a long leisurely afternoon in one of the bars, restaurants or cafes.

And that is as contrived a link to the Alchemist as you can get.*

Peter and I had been out on an adventure to visit Mr Lowry’s paintings on a day when the weather veered from bright sunshine to showers.

Having done the paintings we decided on a drink and so to the Alchemist which is the new one on that stretch of land beside the water, between the Lowry and Media City.

It is an interesting building and straight way Peter decided it was a worthy subject for a painting and so here is the Alchemist with its gold roof, and bold lines.

I wrote about it recently and it has also attracted others who have photographed it, but this is Peter’s painting.*

Painting; The Alchemist, © 2017 Peter Topping, Paintings from Pictures,
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*All glass and surprises ....... back at the Quays, https://chorltonhistory.blogspot.co.uk/2017/08/all-glass-and-surprises-back-at-quays.html

Looking out from Salford ..... under grey skies

Now the thing about a panting rather than a photograph is that the artist can have more control over the dominant emotion that the work is meant to convey.

Which isn’t to say that a photograph can’t come close either by the use of light, or how the image is cropped, but with a painting the artist can decide what he/she wants to see rather than what is actually out there.

And that is what I think we have got here with Peter’s painting of the Imperial War Museum North.

Anyone who knows his work will be familiar with the “Topper sky” which is always bright and very blue.

But not here, not with this painting of the museum.  Of course anyone who has stood at any one of the Metro stops around the Quays or up on the Cornbrook platform will recognise that grey grim sky which often brings with it  a biting wind and a fair amount of very wet driving rain.

But leaving that aside I rather think his choice of sky fits well with the metal roof of the building and the much of the subject matter contained in the IWMN.

Peter and I rarely discuss his paintings in advance of them being sent over, so as I sit here I then interpret what I see and write the story in much the same way as he fixes his painting from the landscape.

So it will be interesting to see what he says.

Location; Salford,

Painting; Imperial War Museum North, Painting © 2016 Peter Topping, Paintings from Pictures.
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Looking for a story in the Eagle Inn on Collier Street ................. another Salford pub

Now Collier Street is one of those typical inner city streets.

The Eagle Inn, 2011

It is narrow, doesn’t really seem to lead anywhere, and apart from the Eagle Inn and some undistinguished retail units there isn’t much there.

The last time I visited the place the old Greengate Baths were looking even more forlorn and derelict.

The baths had opened in the August of 1856, closed just twenty four years later and then for a century it did the business as a warehouse.

But since 1990 the building has been doing nothing save slowly deteriorating year by year.

All of which is a contrast to what Collier Street had once been.  By the 1840s the east side consisted of a row of terraced houses running up from Queen Street to Greengate, while part of the opposite side was a mix of houses with tiny courts behind leaving the rest of that side dominated by part of the Salford Union Workhouse.

The street directories of the time wrote the place off, listing just a few of the residents.

Collier Street, 1849

The British Rolla public house did get a mention.  It stood on the corner of Collier and Rolla Street.

It was still there a full half century later although by then the baths, the Roman Catholic school and St Peter’s Church had replaced the workhouse.

But sometime between 1894 and 1895 it shut up shop or at least falls out of favour with the street directories and is no longer listed.  That said nature abhors a vacuum and across the road at number 19 Collier Street a Mr John Stone is brewing and selling his beer.

And that nicely brings me back to the Eagle, which some sources suggest was open for business by 1902.

Of course to check that out will involve a trawl of the licensing records.

So for now I will content myself with saying that Mr Stone was there at 19 Collier Street from at least 1891 and was still there pulling pints with his wife Selina two decades later.  By then they had been married for 29 years and had nine children who ranged in age from 28 down to eight, all living in a property consisting of just five rooms.

I wonder how his trade fared.  The majority of those in Collier Street were labourers, with a washerwoman, cleaner and shoe maker and some were bringing up families in just one room.

But that as they say is another story.

What would be nice would be to track down Mr and Mrs Stone's family and show them Peter's fine painting of their old pub.

Location; Salford

Painting; the Eagle Inn, Salford © 2011 Peter Topping 

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Map; Collier Street, 1949 from the OS Manchester & Salford, 1849, courtesy of Digital Archives Association, http://digitalarchives.co.uk/

The Duke of York on Marlborough Road ............ a pub with a history yet to be revealed

Now given its distinctive appearance you would think there would be more stories about the Duke of York on Marlborough Road.

After all Peter’s painting captures the place at its best but unless I have missed something there is little on the pub.

True there is a reference on the Joseph Holt site but as the Duke of York is a Holt’s pub that is only to be expected.

But it is confined to the simple "a beautiful Victorian Gothic building is within close proximity to Salford, Cheetham Hill and Broughton.

The Duke of York offers a traditional pub experience with darts, pool and live music nights at the weekends. 
The friendly pub also caters for the local community and newcomers are always welcome.”*

Nor does it appear on the Salford City Council page of local pubs or other sites which list pubs in the area.

Perhaps that’s because it still exists and is a bit off the usual Salford tourist haunts.

I am not yet sure when it was built but it will be after 1894 because the OS map for that year shows this stretch of Marlborough Road as undeveloped and the following year the directories still show it as unoccupied.

But just nine years later Mr Joseph Lord is pulling pints and dispensing Salford gossip.

So that pins down the date to a pretty narrow window and I am guessing the Holt’s brewery will know, so that will be my next port of call. Of course in the meantime someone may know and if they do I would welcome the information.

For one fleeting moment there was the possibility of a ghost story but that turned out to be another Duke of York in Eccles, and while there is an interior shot from the Getty Library dated 1926 it is unclear which of our two Salford pubs it is.

So that is it really.

Location; Salford

Paintings; the Duke of York, Marlborough Road, © 2015, Peter Topping,
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*Joseph Holt,  http://www.joseph-holt.com/pubs/view/duke-of-york

Stories of the Crescent in Salford yet to be told

Now I bet there will be plenty of stories about the Crescent.

Not that Mr Frederick Engels or Mr Marx will be calling me with their tales of boozy nights over the thorny bits of “Dialetical Materialism”*

Nor I suspect will it be the man who lost his stage coach ticket after a heavy night at the place and could only remember that he thought he might have been drinking in the Red Dragon.

And that rather sets the scene.

The popular story has Mr Marx and Engels in there swapping pints with discussions on how history worked and the future and that the pub was once the Red Dragon.

All of these and more stories can be found in that excellent site, Manchester Pubs and never one to steal another’s research I will just direct you to the link.**

All I will say is that I did a quick trawl of the directories and could find no Red Dragon,.

That said I only went back to 1850 when the Crescent was run by Hannah Bradburn and interestingly it doesn’t show up in later lists

So instead that just leaves me to comment on Peter’s painting which I like, and make that usual appeal for any stories or pictures, particularly ones from inside which rarely ever survive, if they were ever taken.

Painting; the Crescent, Salford © 2015 Peter Topping 

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*That political and historical events result from the conflict of social forces and are interpretable as a series of contradictions and their solutions and expressed succinctly as  “The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles." The Communist Manifesto, Chapter 1 Bourgeois and Proletarians, 1848

**Pubs of Manchester Past & Present, http://pubs-of-manchester.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Crescent%20-%20The%20Crescent

"He paints the pictures......... And I tell the stories" him and me at the Manchester Histories Festival Manchester Town Hall ............... Saturday June 11

Now the thing about history is that for most people it is one of the most compelling subjects.

From stories on Chorlton Green

It includes everything from dark deeds in equally dark castles to the triumphs of those faced with all sorts of adversity to mad scientists and not so mad scientists revealing the secrets of the universe.

And in between there is everything else of which an individual’s own family history can trump the lot.

After all families will offer up stories of villains and heroes, as well as the mean and the generous and a multitude of other tales, some sad some funny but together they help explain who you are.

Now I take after the Scottish and German sides of our family but the rest including those I don’t even know in Derby and lots more who I do know in Canada have the same physical characteristics as my great grandfather who fought for the old Queen across bits of the Empire I can’t pronounce and went on to have two families neither of which knew of the others existence until recently.

They are spread out across two continents and for all I know there may be more.

So history for me pretty much has the lot and since 2010 has led to a very successful collaboration with local artist Peter Topping and to celebrate that partnership we will be at the Manchester Histories Festival Manchester Town Hall on Saturday June 11, talking about what they do best.

Appearing in "The stories behind the doors"  Manchester city centre pubs

We have called it simply "He paints the pictures....... And I tell the stories."

It all began when I was writing a blog about local history and needed a picture to enhance the story, Peter had a painting that fitted the bill and thus the story began.

From there began a partnership telling stories of the past matched with paintings of the present.

Together we have produced exhibits for The Big Green Festival in Chorlton, A History Wall covering 80 metres, and History Trail spanning the length and breadth of Chorlton’s cafes, bars and shops.

From Lost Commercial Manchester

We feature each year in Chorlton Arts Festival, and have written books about, Hough End Hall and Didsbury and we have commissioned to write a book about Alexandra Park and another book in collaboration with CAMRA about "The stories behind the doors" in Manchester City Centre pubs.

And along side this we continue to pursue independent projects.

Peter has exhibited his work at studios around the City and his paintings are in demand.

I wrote the Story of Chorlton-cum-Hardy in 2012 which was a study of a small agricultural community just four miles of Manchester and have just completed Manchester and the Great War for the History Press.

Next year I will be working on a history of the Together Trust which was founded in 1870 as the Manchester and Salford Boys’ and Girls’ Refuges.

From Salford Pubs

And now the partnership has extended to cover areas as far away as Macclesfield and London as well as closer to home in Salford and Manchester, includes one Tudor building, the strange tale of the “gates of hell" in Didsbury and even a telephone Exchange.

But above all it is the people who lived in the places Peter paints and the stories I uncover, like the day in 1911 when young Bertha Geary heard the “flying man” and told her friend “we saw the flying man on Tuesday night fly over head.  Beaumont is his name.  I wish you could have seen him.  It made such a noise.”

Now I could tell you more but instead I will just invite you down to the Town Hall where you can see our type of history and we can tell you more.

Location; pretty much everywhere but this Saturday for one day only, at the Manchester Town Hall

Paintings; the Lych Gate, Chorlton, © 2011 and Peveril of the Peak, 50 Newton Street, © 2013 and the Black Horse © 2015, Peter Topping, 
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