Showing posts with label Seymour Grove. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Seymour Grove. Show all posts

Tuesday, 31 May 2016

From pints and cocktails to divan beds and designer saucepans ............ down at the Throstles Nest

2016
Never let it be said that in the full pursuit of recording our changing landscape Andy Robertson ever gives up on a building.

Regular readers will know that he has been engaged in a long term project of chronicling many of our old pubs, warehouses and factories just as they are about to disappear.

2014
It has taken him out across Greater Manchester in all weathers and sometimes to the same spot several times in a year.

And here are two of his pictures showing the transformation of the Throstles Nest on Seymour Grove.

Location; Seymour Grove

Pictures; the rear of the Throstles Nest in 2014 and 2016, from the collection of Andy Robertson

Monday, 18 April 2016

The transformation of the Throstles Nest on Seymour Grove

Now there will be plenty of people with fond memories of the Throstles Nest on Seymour Grove.

I am not one of them but that is purely because it was not on my route of places to go.

Having lived all over south Manchester as well as Beswick, Bradford and Ashton-Under-Lyne by the time I setteled in Chorlton in the 70s I was happy just to stay very local.

That said Andy who took these pictures of the transformation of the old pub along with me would welcome any one who has a story to tell or even a picture of the place in its heyday.

Like so many familiar pubs it went.  I have no idea exactly why but I suspect it will be the usual explanation of being unable to buck the trend of cheap supermarket alcohol, and wine bars.

But unlike the Princess and the Mersey Hotel the building is still there although as the pictures show much changed.

Which just leaves me to thank Andy for this one which is a project he has kept going back to since he first noticed that the last pint had been pulled and the final last orders called.

Location Seymour Grove








Pictures. the Throstles Nest, 2014, and 2016 from  the collection of Andy Robertson


Monday, 29 February 2016

Down at the Throstles Nest something is stirring

Now Andy Robertson has been out again on Seymour Grove with a new picture of the Throstles Nest.

He was last there in July at which time I speculated on the future.*

The one planning application just referred to “Erection of a pitched roof to existing two storey flat roof, including an increase in the height of the eaves”**

And eight months on its the only one that I could find on the data base.

So that must be the work that is about to be undertaken.

Location; Old Trafford, Greater Manchester








Pictures; the Throstles Nest, 2015 &2016 from the collection of Andy Robertson


*What's happening with that not so historic Throstles Nest on Seymour Grove?
http://chorltonhistory.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/whats-happening-with-that-not-so.html

**Trafford Council Planning,  82950/FULL/2014,  http://publicaccess.trafford.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=externalDocuments&keyVal=ZZZW32QLTA001

Saturday, 20 February 2016

Looking for Mrs Fraser on Seymour Grove in November 1914 .............. stories behind the book nu 6

An occasional series on the stories behind the new book on Manchester and the Great War.*

The Elms, Seymour Grove, 1893
Now there are times when you can feel totally frustrated when a line of research stubbornly refuses to go anywhere.

And that pretty much is where I am with Mrs W A Fraser of the Elms, Seymour Grove, Old Trafford.

In the November of 1914 she appeared in the Manchester Guardian as the contact for sending “gifts of woollen mittens” for men of the 3rd City Battalion of the Manchester Regiment who were based at White City and later also settled in Heaton Park.

They were one of the eight battalions of Pals who were raised between August and November 1914 in response to Lord Derby’s appeal for recruits.

The appeal had made in Liverpool and pretty much immediately across the country there was an overwhelming response.

Here in Manchester the first three City Battalions were each recruited in days.  The first two battalions and the 4th were based in Heaton Park while the 3rd went to White City after what I think may have been a temporary stay in Alexandra Park.

And on November 20 1914 the commanding officer of the 3rd City Battalions made it known that he would be glad to receive those gifts.

The war was characterised by a huge surge in voluntary and charity work with flag days, “comfort drives” for the troops and much more.

So I would like to know more about Mrs Fraser but so far nothing has come to light.

The Elms was there on Seymour Grove by 1891 but I think has now been demolished.

It would have stood somewhere close to Lime Avenue.

Now it may be that it is still there and I have missed it and there may be someone who can offer up information ofnMrs Fraser.

So there is the appeal.

Picture; Seymour Grove showing the Elms, 1893, from the OS map for South Lancashire, 1893 courtesy of Digital Archives Association, http://digitalarchives.co.uk/

*Manchester and the Great War, Andrew Simpson, due out at the end of 2016, http://chorltonhistory.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/A%20new%20book%20on%20Manchester%20and%20the%20Great%20War

Thursday, 31 December 2015

Revealing the history of Batsford House on Seymour Grove ............... another Red Cross Hospital

This was Stretford Memorial Hospital on Seymour Grove which closed earlier this year.

It had opened its doors as a Red Cross Hospital in October 1914 and before that had been the home of the Nuttal family when it was known as Batsford House.

I recently wrote about its time both as a hospital and a private residence* but have been drawn back by an entry in the official history of the Red Cross in East Lancashire during the Great War.**

The book was published in 1916 and contains descriptions of all the Red Cross hospitals in the area during the first two years of the war along with the names of the nursing and ancillary staff and offers a fascinating insight into the working of each establishment.

According to the book,

“Batsford House was lent to the local British Red Cross Branch for conversion into an Auxiliary Hospital by James Nuttall, Esq., of Hale.

Seven wards have been arranged, together with mess room and day room, staff room, kitchens, etc., and the light airy aspect of the patients’ quarters has proved very cheerful.

Practically all the furniture and appurtenances were given or loaned by the local residents, and in consequence the cost of equipping was low, being under £100.

The Hospital was opened on October 28, 1914, providing accommodation for twenty patients but ten more beds were added during April, [1915] when more provision was essential to meet the requirements of the increased number of wounded soldiers coming to Manchester.

The upkeep of the Hospital has cost about 2s 8d  per bed, and this has been defrayed by the War Office Capitation Grant, augmented by public subscription.

Numerous entertainments have been provided in the wards, and the ample grounds surrounding the hospital have afforded facilities for tennis, croquet, football, etc.”**

Of the 154 men who were cared for between October 1914 and August 1915, 138 were British, 11 were from Australia and five were Belgians.  Most had “contracted their primary wounds” on the Western Front with having been wounded at Gallipoli and three from with Great Britain.

Of these 87 were bullet and shrapnel wounds, 5 were suffering from having been gassed, 18 from frost bite and the remainder were listed as “Miscellaneous.”

The average stay was 32 days and most went on to a period of sick furlough.

In this respect the information differs little from what was recorded from other Red Cross Hospitals and so offers up an insight into the impact of the fighting during the first year and a bit.***

Added to that what comes through is the huge voluntary contribution made by the local community.

We know that in the case of the Chorlton hospital on Edge Lane local fund raising provided a substantial amount towards the cost of running the establishment and caring for the patients.

And like Chorlton it should be possible to track the named staff using the Red Cross data base,**** census material, street directories and newspapers which will take us deep into the local community.

Now the book lists the names of 27 nurses, 25 orderlies and 12 cooks and at random I picked Mrs Cochrane who the database tells me was a Mrs Elizabeth Bertha Cochrane who was engaged on the day Batsford House opened and may well have been related to Miss Madge Cochrane who also started in October 1914 and Miss Muriel Cochrane who began service two years later.

With a bit of research it should be possible to track them down and maybe reveal a little of their work at the hospital.

We shall see.

Picture; Batsford House, circa 1914, from East Lancashire Branch - An illustrated account of the work of the Branch during the first year of the war, 1916 and the hospital circa 1914 from the collection of David Harrop

Painting; Stretford Memorial Hospital © 2015 Peter Topping from an original photograph by Andy Robertson

Web: www.paintingsfrompictures.co.uk

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Additional material courtesy of the archivist of the Red Cross Society http://www.redcross.org.uk/

*Stretford Memorial Hospital, http://chorltonhistory.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Stretford%20Memorial%20Hospital

**East Lancashire Branch - An illustrated account of the work of the Branch during the first year of the war, 1916

***First World War volunteers, The Red Cross, http://www.redcross.org.uk/About-us/Who-we-are/History-and-origin/First-World-War

***Red Cross Hospitals, http://chorltonhistory.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Red%20Cross%20Hospitals


****First World War volunteers, The Red Cross, http://www.redcross.org.uk/About-us/Who-we-are/History-and-origin/First-World-War



Saturday, 19 December 2015

A painting, a hospital and a story of a local building company ............. at Stretford Memorial Hospital

This is Stretford Memorial Hospital on Seymour Grove, or at least it was because it closed in October of this year.

And that closure ended a century of medical care which had begun with the Great War.

Now I am deep into researching its history as a Red Cross hospital which in time will yield how many beds it had, the number of patients it received during its first year of service and the names of its medical staff.

And judging by its size and location close to the railway it would have been welcomed by the Red Cross when it was handed over by its last owner who I am pretty sure was Mr James Nuttall who lived there with his wife Beatrice, five children and four servants.

The property was known as Basford House and contained fourteen rooms set in its own grounds.
James Nuttall was a public contractor, and in the space of a decade had risen from being an assistant in the family firm to running the business with his brother.

In 1911 Edmund Nuttall & Co was  based on Trafford Park Road.

"The company was founded by James Nuttall Snr in Manchester in 1865 to undertake engineering works associated with infrastructure developments, such as the Manchester Ship Canal, which opened in 1894 and the narrow gauge Lynton and Barnstaple Railway, which opened in 1898.


In the 1900s and 1910s James Nuttall Snr's two sons—Sir Edmund Nuttall, 1st Baronet (1870–1923), who was made a baronet in 1922, and James Nuttall (1877–1957)—built the company into a nationwide business.”*

In the 1920s and 1930s the company was run by Sir Edmund's son, Sir Keith Nuttall, 2nd Baronet (1901–1941), who served in the Royal Engineers in the Second World War."

And in the course of its long history was responsible for a shed load of civil and industrial projects including the Liver Building, tunnels under the Mersey, the Thames and the Tyne and during the Second World War were one of the contractors engaged in building the Mulberry harbour units.

All of which means that James Nuttall was no jobbing builder, but does not help me with the big question of where the family went in 1914 when they handed their home over to the Red Cross.

That and much more about the building will unfold, and when it does I rather think I will feature Peter’s painting of the hospital all over again.

Painting; Stretford Memorial Hospital © 2015 Peter Topping from an original photograph by Andy Robertson

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*BAM Nutall, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAM_Nuttall

Tuesday, 7 July 2015

What's happening with that not so historic Throstles Nest on Seymour Grove?

Now I wonder how history will treat the Throstle’s Nest on Seymour Grove.

There will be many who have fond memories of the place and others who would rather draw a veil over the night when it just seemed a good idea to treble up the drinks at last orders having already drunk the night away to the strains of Fleetwood Mac and a series of stories from Ken from Dispatch.

All of that said it is another of Andy Robertson’s projects, and having visited it a few times since it shut up shop yesterday he was back recording the first signs of movement with three pictures, commenting on “the very slow and slightly unsure progress of the 'Nest.

You can now see the new flooring layout.

It will be interesting to see what happens to the existing windows and where new ones might go?”

Well there is an application in for the “erection of a pitched roof to existing two storey flat roof, including an increase in the height of the eaves.”*

Andy I know did some research on the building and that excellent site Manchester Pubs has written"this once-popular local's boozer on the Old Trafford - Whalley Range border closed down in 2010.  The Throstles Nest was also a match day boozer for Man Utd fans but despite this it has gone the way of so many inner city alehouses." With one of its contributors adding that it opened in 1968.**

All of which will just leave Andy to go back and see how things are developing.










Pictures; the Throstles Nest, 2015 from the collection of Andy Robertson

*Trafford Council Planning,  82950/FULL/2014,  http://publicaccess.trafford.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=externalDocuments&keyVal=ZZZW32QLTA001

** Throstles Nest, Seymour Grove, http://pubs-of-manchester.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/throstles-nest-seymour-grove.html

Sunday, 27 April 2014

Discovering a lost Seymour Grove

Broom House, 2014
I have to say it is almost impossible to recognise Seymour Grove in Thomas Ellwood’s description of the road as it would have been in the early 19th century,

“Trafford Lane, now Seymour Grove; was formerly nothing more than an old lane or rough cart road, with deep ditches at each side, overshadowed by trees, and used chiefly by the farmers and foot-passengers of the village.”*

Back then it was one of the routes you might have taken out of the village and up along Manchester Road towards Chester Road.

Of course you could have taken the new route which had been cut by Samuel Brooks which at first carried his name before becoming Upper Chorlton Road but you would have had to pay for the privilege and so for many the rough cart road with its deep ditches and overhanging trees was the chosen way into town.

And the journey would have been a fairly lonely one with not a house insight till you got to the upper end.

That cluster of houses with fine sounding names in 1854
Here there were a cluster of house with grand sounding names like Limegrove House, Broom House and Green Bank along with Brainerd Terrace, Seymour Cottages and Garrow Hill.

And the occupants of these fine sounding properties had equally impressive occupations ranging from “land agent” to “Cotton merchant” and “Cotton dealer.”

But all these houses have long since vanished with the exception of one which was perhaps not the most striking of the collection.

This was Broom House and it stands a little back from Seymour Grove sandwiched between a row of late 19th century houses on one side and a modern office block on the other.

Now I can’t be sure when it was built but it was there by 1851 when it was occupied by Mr and Mrs Burbidge.

Sixty years later in 1911 it was home to Mrs Emma Lawton who lived on “private means” and shared the seven roomed house with Martha Ann Swarbrik and Mr John Edwards who described himself as “a master butcher and employer.”

But by then our few select houses had been joined by other and even grander properties.

And yet there were still plenty of open spaces which would not have been filled until well into the century.

The entrance to the Ash, 2014
That said once this new development began it was not that long before those grand properties began to vanish and in their place smaller houses and later still blocks of flats.

Walk down the road today and all that remains of them are the gate posts like the Ash on the corner with Rye Bank Road.

Back in 1911 this was the home of Miss Alice Welsh who lived in this 13 roomed property with her sister and three servants.

Now even the entrance on either side of the posts has been blocked up and the more modest and modern properties are hidden behind trees and bushes.

Pictures; from the collection of Andy Robertson and detail of Old Trafford Lane, later Chorlton Lane and now Seymour Grove from the OS map of Lancashire 1854, courtesy of Digital Archives Association, http://www.digitalarchives.co.uk/

*Roads and Footpaths, History of Chorlton-cum-Hardy, Chapter 6, Thomas Elwood, South Manchester Gazette, December 12 1885

Thursday, 24 April 2014

Always look beyond the old stone wall, out on Seymour Grove in the 1890s

Seymour Grove in 2014
Now here is a lesson in always looking at what you pass by.

Over the years I have passed this spot on Seymour Grove countless times and never clocked the stone wall and the gateposts.

And yet here is a little history and perhaps some stories.

It was Andy Robertson on one of his regular wanders around the city armed with just his camera and a  notebook that recorded what was once here and is now long gone.

Fairlawns in 2014
I say long gone but I don’t really have a clue when the block of flats went up on what had been Fairlawns and the Sycamores.

Nor for that matter when the original two houses were built.  Andy has dated Fairlawns and its northern neighbour which was Beech House to 1871 and within another 20 years the Sycamores had joined the other two.

There was still plenty of open land around the houses in the 1890s and all three properties were big houses.

The Beech and Sycamores had ten rooms a piece and Fairlawns weighed in with 8, and all three were set back from the road with largish gardens.

Seymour Grove in 1894
In 1911 all were occupied by those who could regard themselves as comfortably well off.

At the Sycamores was Mr Rueben Bennet who described himself as a former director of the Old Trafford company of Bennett’s which made church stained glass, while at Fairlawns was Richard Haig Brown who had been a railway manager, and at the Beech lived George Forbes who was listed variously as a nurseryman and Cut Flower Merchant.

Now in the fullness of time I think I shall go digging into the lives of all three but in the meantime will content myself with reflecting on just how easy it is to overlook even our most recent past.

Travel down Seymour Grove today and I doubt that many will give a second thought to what was here  or rather not here just over a century and a bit ago.

Back in the 1840s our spot was still farm land dissected by a culverted water course with views north east to woodland and Hullard Hall and west out across more farmland to Great Stone Farm and Chester Road.

The Sycamores in 2014
The Botanic Gardens had yet to get it’s Royal title and the railway was waiting for the funds to drive the plans into a working line.

That said just a little to the north on the opposite side were Lime Grove House, Broom House and Brainerd Terrace which with a additions and name changes were still there 50 years later.

Today only Broom House has survived.  I doubt that any of the original features are left inside but I bet Andy will be down there soon to photograph it, and  I shall go looking for Mrs Emily Lawton who was there in 1911 along with the other residents back as far as the 1840s when Fairlawns, the Sycamores and Beech House were still just a field.

Pictures; from the collection of Andy Robertson and the OS for South Lancashire, 1894, courtesy of Digital Archives Association, http://www.digitalarchives.co.uk/