Now I can’t yet be sure of the date but I do know exactly where we are on Chapel Street and the clue is the Old Ship Inn at number 17 Chapel Street.
And that places us on the stretch of road running up to Victoria Bridge.
The Old Ship is there by 1849 and was still there in 1911 and with a bit of digging I should be able to discover when it was swept away.
For those unfamiliar with the new Salford, the pub stands roughly on the site of the Premier Inn and what is now the entrance to the car park will have once been Hatton’s Court a long thin alley which led down to a tannery past a row of houses some of which were back to backs.
I am hoping that there will be people who remember the Old Ship or have access to books which offer up something of its history.
In the mean time there is that name James to the right of the pub, and armed with that it should be possible to trawl the directories and locate the business and find a date.
There maybe even be a clue in those newspapers.
And as ever my friend Alan came up with the following, the picture dates from 1870, and "the Old Ship was the tall building in the first picture and licensees can be traced back to the 1760's.
The Hatton family kept the ship for about 30 years from 1807 and they gave their name to the court at the side of the pub.
It was rebuilt in 1900, destroyed during the Christmas Blitz of 1940 and a new pub was built on the site in the mid 1950'at the end of 1999 it was demolished.
In the book Salford Pubs, there is this : "Across Hattons court from the Old Ship, there was a very old, timber framed building with lath and plaster walls, it was divided into five shops and these had a variety of tenants during the 19th century, in the 1840's the shop next to Hattons Court was occupied by a butcher and by 1850 it was a beerhouse called the Fishermens Hut.
The first recorded licensees were Mary and then Elizabeth Copley, who was there until about 1863. A horse dealer called Thomas Wood took over a few years later and he was still there in the 1880's.
The last licensee was Thomas Baxter and the Fishermens Hut along with the adjoining shops was pulled down in 1894...'"
Which pretty much nails the story! .
Location; Salford
Additional research; Alan Jennings
Picture; Chapel Street, date unknown, A Brother, M77249, courtesy of Manchester Libraries, Information and Archives, Manchester City Council, http://images.manchester.gov.uk/index.php?session=pass
The Old Ship is there by 1849 and was still there in 1911 and with a bit of digging I should be able to discover when it was swept away.
For those unfamiliar with the new Salford, the pub stands roughly on the site of the Premier Inn and what is now the entrance to the car park will have once been Hatton’s Court a long thin alley which led down to a tannery past a row of houses some of which were back to backs.
In the mean time there is that name James to the right of the pub, and armed with that it should be possible to trawl the directories and locate the business and find a date.
There maybe even be a clue in those newspapers.
And as ever my friend Alan came up with the following, the picture dates from 1870, and "the Old Ship was the tall building in the first picture and licensees can be traced back to the 1760's.
The Hatton family kept the ship for about 30 years from 1807 and they gave their name to the court at the side of the pub.
In the book Salford Pubs, there is this : "Across Hattons court from the Old Ship, there was a very old, timber framed building with lath and plaster walls, it was divided into five shops and these had a variety of tenants during the 19th century, in the 1840's the shop next to Hattons Court was occupied by a butcher and by 1850 it was a beerhouse called the Fishermens Hut.
The first recorded licensees were Mary and then Elizabeth Copley, who was there until about 1863. A horse dealer called Thomas Wood took over a few years later and he was still there in the 1880's.
The last licensee was Thomas Baxter and the Fishermens Hut along with the adjoining shops was pulled down in 1894...'"
Which pretty much nails the story! .
Location; Salford
Picture; Chapel Street, date unknown, A Brother, M77249, courtesy of Manchester Libraries, Information and Archives, Manchester City Council, http://images.manchester.gov.uk/index.php?session=pass
Delighted to see this picture. I would like to discuss Pendleton with you -- can we do it by email?
ReplyDeleteMany thanks,
Peter
PS There is a very similar view to this, taken from the same spot, twenty years later:
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I would like to see a pic of 23 Boond street green gate Salford M3 7NG UK. My grand mom had born in 1890.if you have ,display it.
ReplyDeleteThe butcher at 23 Chapel street was William Griffin my ancestors had a few butchers also at 166Deansgate
ReplyDeleteThis is amazing. I lived on grove house maisonette. Was there for years since the war I think. They were just behind shalimar shop if im correct. The maisonette got pulled down in 1990 I think and they sent my mum to eccles elssmere Park. It was so posh when I got there that I hated it. Do you have any pics of the maisonette with the big square in front. Thanks in advance. If I find I will post.
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